A blockbuster trade that was widely rumored for much of yesterday and through the night between the Dodgers and the Boston Red Sox was finally announced as complete this morning. The Dodgers receive much of the core of the melted down Red Sox team: Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford with Nick Punto thrown in for good measure. The Red Sox receive James Loney and Rubby De La Rosa and a decent package of prospects: Ivan DeJesus Jr, Jerry Sands and Alan Webster. De La Rosa will reportedly be named later due to the Toronto Blue Jays claiming him off waivers and the Dodgers pulling him back.
From the Dodgers perspective, this trade provides an substantial upgrade at 1B and to the lineup in the person of Adrian Gonzalez. Carl Crawford recently underwent Tommy John surgery so is a non-factor this year. Josh Beckett has a long history of pitching and winning big games but has not pitched particularly well this year and is rumored to have been a cancer in the BoSox clubhouse as a founding member of the beer and fried chicken club. Longer term, the Dodgers take on approximately a quarter of a billion dollars in contracts with a high probability that none of those players will be good in the last 2-3 years of the contracts.
From Boston's perspective, they were able to divest themselves of several crippling contracts, each of which appeared to be untradeable, in one huge deal. That they were able to get some interesting prospects in return makes the deal all the more remarkable for them. Their GM, Ben Cherington, now has the financial flexibility to start over and build the team he wants to build.
There are almost endless ways of analyzing this trade. It certainly raises a host of questions that are close to unknowable at this time: Will Adrian Gonzalez be enough of an upgrade to the lineup to put the Dodgers in the playoffs and give them a chance at a WS title and give the new ownership a running start? Does the apparent loss of Chad Billingsley, possibly for the rest of the season, offset the offensive gains Gonzalez might give? Will the toxicity of the Boston clubhouse come west with the players? Do the Dodgers have any payroll limitations going forward? There has already been hundreds of pages written about these issues and there will likely be hundreds or even thousands more written in the next few days.
I'm going to look at it from different angle and explain why I think the trade will be a failure for the Dodgers. This was a panic move by Dodger's ownership, but not because the Giants swept them this week. What caused the panic was a half empty Dodger Stadium for the Bumgarner-Kershaw matchup in the first game of their series and the even more empty stadium for game 3. The fact that as many as 1/4 of the fans in attendance were Giants fans, did not help quiet ownership fears.
Magic Johnson fervently believes that the way to sell out an arena or stadium is to have stars on the team. He just as fervently believes that if you want stars on your team, you pay whatever price it takes to get them and everything else will take care of itself. Magic did not get a backer who owns a company worth a reported quarter of a TRILLION dollars for nothing, nosireebob! Word on the street is the Dodgers believe Adrian Gonzalez can be that star with the added benefit that he will appeal to latinos, the largest component of their fanbase. Magic and the Dodgers were willing to take on the enormous added risk of Beckett and Crawford in order to achieve their goal of bringing AGone to LA.
There are several problems with this scenario for the Dodgers:
1. Adrian Gonzalez was loved by the community in San Diego, but that never translated into great attendance at Padres ballgames. AGone just isn't a very charismatic player. He'a a good player, maybe even great. Just not the kind you say to yourself, "man, I have to drive 30 or 60 miles each way and spend $200 for a chance to see Adrian Gonzalez play!"
2. Baseball is not like basketball where 1 or 2 superstars and another 2 or 3 role players is all you need to win a championhip or 3 or 4. Baseball teams have 9 players on the field at any given time as opposed to 5 and have 25 man rosters as opposed to 11 or 12 or however many basketball has(see how much I follow basketball?). You can't win baseball games by having 16 guys stand around while 2 play one-on-one for 48 minutes.
3. Unlike basketball, where many fans might choose to go to a game or buy season tickets just to see Magic Johnson or Shaquille O'Neal or Kobe Bryant most people who go to baseball games do not go to see just one player. If they do, it's usually to see a particular pitcher pitch, not one hitter who might only come to bat 3 times in the whole game.
4. The Dodgers marketing problems run a lot deeper than the product on the field. That is the real message that ownership should have taken away from the Giants series. The Dodgers were the first place team leading up to the first game and their best pitcher was on the mound. If a winning product was the issue, that game should have had lines of fans being turned away from the walkup windows. More on that in a later post.
This trade MIGHT save the Dodgers' season this year. The only thing that will prevent it from being a disaster in the long term is if the Dodgers ownership continues to have unlimited money to spend and a continued willingness to spend it. The reaction to those empty seats in Dodger Stadium would seem to suggest that even the new Dodgers' ownership group has its limits.
Saturday, August 25, 2012
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This might be the biggest trade in MLB history. I am pretty sure the 250MM in assumed salary breaks new ground. Will the Doyers blast through the luxury tax cap or is this their big move? Nobody knows the answer to that yet.
ReplyDeleteI tend to overvalue Adrian Gonzo, so I say look out for the next 35 games, as well as the next few years. Age will catch up, but they got a franchise cornerstone by taking on Crawford and giving up some of their best arms. I would not discount that, especially in the short term.
It might have been an overreaction, but it also might have been a measured move - you just do not get any opportunities to grab a cornerstone, ever. Teams lock up talent. Schulman tweeted that the Red Sox deliberately waited until the Doyers were behind us to waive Gonzo. Not sure of his sources, but everybody knows who the big spenders are now, and that should scare some. Yes, the Angels can be brought up, and obviously these players did not thrive with the BoSox. Just because one team can't spend to a championship does not mean another will not be successful.
These are Blue Chip players getting handed over, and that should give some pause. Crawford has to overcome TJ, and has been very bad, but is pretty talented. Speed ages, so he has that going against him as well. But Adrian Gonzalez lengthens their lineup and makes them seriously legit on the hitting front. He doesnt have to be the headliner, they already have Matt Kemp for that. As a vast improvement over Loney, they are set to do damage.
Except... Their pitching still has holes. And they just said good bye to 2 of their top 3 prospects. I think the Gints can hang in there, but its going to be close.
Oh and Frankie Peggs with his debut on NATIONAL TELEVISION!! Lets go Frankie!
ReplyDeletehit most of the nails directly on the head.
ReplyDeletebums wanna become the yanks west but are in serious danger of becoming the marlins west and i question how much input agent ned had in this move. this has all the earmarks of the guber entity...the same one that is calling in favors to get celebs at every game.
positive of this trade...valentine is gone at season's end...hopefully never to be heard from again
as an aside...i urge everyone to watch at least the first epi of the franchise
here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ipDnsFEiY
i complain about the giants brass, but they are head and shoulders above the marlins...that org is a mess. loria and his stepson are the sleaziest characters in the game.
I love this trade. It could workout for the duds but it could also blow up in their faces big-time. They still have to pitch to our hitters and they still have to hit our pitching, I'll take my chances with our staff and our improving offense over their questionable starting pitching and all star lineup. Next year will probably work out for the losers but after that I can see this deal hamstringing the duds. Cots contracts has them at 194 mill in payroll with a luxury tax threshold of 178 million, even the Yankees, Phils and Red Sox have seen the error in playing the luxury tax game. All I can say is Kershaw sure will look good in Orange and Black in a couple of years when the duds can't afford to take on anymore contracts.
ReplyDeleteBums have NYC $$$ and are spending it. Must be nice to be the 1% and not have to live like the rest of us. The only problem, you can't buy everything. But it does mean the Bums will be competitive every year.
ReplyDeleteThe Bums spending will make the Giants brass better. They will have to continue to: trade smart, draft smart (listening to Shank's every word), develop smart, and spend smart. They will be forced to lock up their homegrown talent long term and trade for what they need. This actually plays to Sabes' strengths.
The Giants will be less likely to be big FA spenders, unable to compete with LA money. This seems to be the downfall of most newly successful franchises - they think because they built a good club now they can be successful with big FA signings too. Boston and the Angels are just the latest causalities. Rarely works.
DocB, interesting take on Magic's view that star players win games and fans. A truism in basketball for sure, baseball not so much. Hope Agent Ned doesn't read your blog.
The biggest danger for the Giants. The Bums poach and/or drive up the price of resigning our hometown FAs.
Interesting take Drb.. The only scenario that will generate excitement among Bum's fans is a deep playoff run.. They improved their team in the short run no doubt with AGON, but the playoffs are still not a guarantee.. Billingsly just went on the DL, so their starting pitching is just ok after Kershaw.. In my view, Beckett is going to have to come up big for them to make a big playoff push.. Also, If I was Shane Victorino, I would be pissed with them comitting all that $$ to Crawford.. I heard he was hoping to stick with the Bums long term, that seems unlikely now..
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Thanks for all the great comments guys! Keep 'em coming. I'll have a post down the road explaining why I still think the Giants are as well positioned for the future as any team in baseball.
ReplyDeletePerfect take doc.
ReplyDeleteThe Red Sox ownership should be dancing right now. They dumped massive salary and got some decent young talent back. Those high salaries werent benefitting the Sox at all. I can't believe the Dodgers had to send players to Boston at all given how much salary they are taking on. The only way this does not blow up on the bums is if Beckett and Crawford both return to previous glory, unlikely.
Stars in football and basketball can win championships. Hockey too. That has never been true in baseball. Great post DrB, truer words never said. And you covered the implications great too, I wish I had wrote them.
ReplyDeleteThe Dodgers do not scare me yet. A lot will have to go their way plus our guys would have to fold up too. And I do not expect that, they came up big twice, particularly sweeping the Bums in LA.
I still think the Giants can pull it off. We just need our pitching to come through.