Saturday, May 6, 2017

Game Wrap 5/5/2017: Giants 13 Reds 3

The Giants fell way behind early and as usual could not mount enough offense against soffffft tossing Bronson Arroyo to overcome the Reds onslaught.  Key Lines:

Christian Arroyo 3B- 1 for 4, HR(3).  BA= .239.  Arroyo went deep off Bronson Arroyo in the second inning for the Giants first run.

Buster Posey C/1B- 3 for 4, 2B.  BA= .366.  Despite 4 Total Bases, Buster did not figure into any of the Giants scoring.

Eduardo Nunez SS- 1 for 3, 2B, BB.  BA= .259.  Is it too early to start thinking about what the Giants could get back in a Nunez deadline trade?

Nick Hundley C- 1 for 2, 2B.  BA= .211.  Speaking of deadline trades…..9 of Hundley's 12 hits have been doubles.

Matt Cain RHP- 3.1 IP, 10 H, 9 R, 6 BB, 2 K's.  ERA= 4.70.  Great American Ballpark is a bandbox but that was not Cain's problem as he did not give up any dingers.  For one, he took a pretty bad BABIPing as I counted just 4 line drives out of the 10 hits.  Of course, BABIP does not account for the 6 BB's or the failure to control the Reds running game, but a lot of this was coming out on the bad end of BABIP luck.


With the Loss, the Giants remain in last place in the NL West, 7 games behind the Colorado Rockies and 0.5 games behind the 4'th place Padres.


Ty Blach faces Amir Garrett in a battle of rookie LHP's this evening.


  1. Oh Doc, you ask, "Is it too EARLY to start thinking about what the Giants could get back in a Nunez deadline trade?"
    No, it's too LATE!
    Although Adalberto Mejía hasn't shown much, he has age on his side.
    But maybe the Twins would swap back!
    Or maybe the Giants could get Phil Bickford back, although they might be better off without him.
    Will Smith was the start of the wheels coming off. Bumgarner was an unforced error. Span was always damaged goods. Left field has joined center as an expanding blackhole. Melancon is Bryan Wilson without the beard and results.
    Don't know what to say about Matt Moore: will the real Matt Moore please stand up?
    Even Andrew Susac and Matt Duffy have not prospered since in last year's trades.
    Perhaps Murphy the Goat, ousted in Chicago, found a home in San Francisco during the 2016 All Star Game -- nothing has been the same since July 10th last year.
    At this point, I will applaud a 3-game winning streak!
    Heck, I might applaud another 2-game streak!

  2. And it's definitely not too early to start thinking about what we could get back for Nunez and Hundley.

    The real question is: How are they going to facilitate the break down rebuild/or the huge Bay acquisitions at the deadline. They need a middle of the order power bat like a fish needs water. Posey & Pence & Belt are not going to magically turn back into 30 HR possibilities, none of them after threats for power right now, and they're not getting any younger.

    I think it's time to come to terms: It's time for a huge sell-off, restock the farm, a true changing of the guard. The keepers are: Posey, Crawford, Arroyo + Bumgarner, Moore, Samardzjia & Blach. Moore could be made available only if he snaps into shape, in which case he's worth a King's ransom (he's got clear #2 stuff, only requires consistent mechanics). Gillaspie, Hill, Morse, Span, Gorkeys were a good idea but they are NOT working out, and there goes the season when you've got injuries up the yinyang.

    Panik, Pence, Belt and the entire bullpen are open game. I'm glad to keep Melancon, but for a healthy return including young power arms, they're all available at the right price.

    You cannot compete with a stagnant roster when your old all-stars are losing touch (Belt, Posey, Pence, Cain). It's time for a transition!

    1. Red Sox tore their club apart recently, re-armed themselves and now they contend, as a most recent example. I herd Bobby Evans on the radio the other day and he scares me - he sounds like he is willing to further mortgage the future by trading off top prospects to win now. It come down to greed - greed for wins now, the taste of winning is intoxicating for sure, but would be a mistake to trade away the handful of VG prospects that could be the crew of a future team. The Giants, if they continue to lose at this pace, could be in a position to make a top 10 draft pick in the 2018 draft. Cubs used a no. 2 pick to choose Kris Bryant. Giants chose Matt Williams and Will Clark with number 3 and 2 picks. Lincecum, Posey, and Bumgarner were all top 10 picks. Bill Walsh traded away his older stars before their skills eroded. Posey, Crawford, Pence have trade value. I would keep Arroyo, Panik, Bumgarner, Okert, Law, Blach, Osich and trade every other player. Plenty of VG infielders in the minors (Beltre and Shaw among them) and Arroyo and Panik are young enough to be around awhile. Aramis Garcia is tearing up SJ and he is your catcher of the future. In the OF: Parker, Reynolds, Quinn, Fabian, Slater.

    2. If the Giants become sellers then I hope Posey, MadBum, Crawford, Panik, and Arroyo are all untouchable. Belt, Cueto, Nunez, Hundley, Span ( Take my wife...Please!) are expendable. The Giants are losing Cueto after the season anyways ( Probably Yankees), but his market may be very limited due to his contract and he is essentially just a rental this season too. I really don't see any big returns for any of the players I would be willing to trade besides Belt. Panik may be traded if the Giants are comfortable with Tomlinson at 2B. That one would hurt.

    3. Most of those guys will not make it, so it's not exactly a roster of the future. However, a few will and they're impact prospects; Quinn, Reynolds and Aramis, at least.

      You don't trade a generational talent like Crawford without a MEGA return - nor Posey, so that return comes before and talk of trading either of those two. Posey may not be the bat he once was, but he's still an incredible player, leader and catcher. He should be barring 6th in a significant lineup, though. A Cespedes or the like should be in the cleanup. They missed that ship, for obvious reasons, but it was the perfect pairing at the perfect time. Shame....

    4. Nunez has no value. Giants bought high on the basis of a good curent year to fill for Duffy who was about to be traded for a SP. They would have been better off with Tomlinson. Nunez is a FA not having a particulary good year and is a liability in the field -- everywhere! Only the injuries to Crawford and the outfield have him playing.
      In any event, Giants are unlikely to be out of it in July -- the National League is just not all that good. 8 games under is BAD but not fatal. Yet. A few 2 out of 3 wins -- it could happen -- will change things and 85 wins may get in.
      Hernandez is overrated as an OFer (as is Stubbs or dWAR is completely unreliable -- look it up), but could fill in if Mac can stay healthy enough and take a flier on Slater or put Tomlinson in the OF.
      2 out of 3! Think big. At this point that gets to 99 wins!

    5. Posey questions: 1) will the power return ? or will he lose all his punch like Mauer? 2) given his history of concussions, how long will he catch? If the Giants are re-buiilding (we will know at some point? does not look good now that they can turn this season around) and let's say it takes three years to become a contender again - then Posey will be 33. He has more value now presumably than in three years and where Posey will be in three years is questionable. He may be a First Baseman who can hit .300 but who has no power. That is the danger in keeping him. Yes keep him if he can catch for 5 more years keep him if he can recover some power, but keep him if his future is a Firstbaseman with no slugging power? Crawford - BC is not in a state of decline like Posey. Crawford has not diminished in the field or at the plate. His age is similarly 30. I think there is less downside to keeping Crawford - if the offer were Mega (as suggested) i think it should be considered. Definitely not gifting him to another team...