Monday, June 9, 2014

Down on the Farm: 6/8/2014

AAA  Las Vegas 51's defeated the Fresno Grizzlies 5-4:

Joe Panik(2B)- 1 for 5, HR(4).  BA= .320.
Adam Duvall(3B)- 2 for 4.  BA= .302.
Juan Ciriaco(SS)- 3 for 4, 3B, HR(5).  BA= .299.
Edwin Escobar(LHP)- 5 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 3 BB, 5 K's.  ERA= 4.99.

AA  Richmond Flying Squrrels won their 5'th straight game 3-1 over the Reading Fightin' Phils:

Tyler Graham(CF)- 2 for 5, HR(3), SB(28).  BA= .296.
Mario Lisson(3B)- 3 for 4, 2B.  BA= .289.
Myles Schroder(LF-3B)- 2 for 4, 2B, HR(1).  BA= .258.
Kelvin Marte(LHP)- 6 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 6 K.  ERA= 4.98.

High A  Modesto Nuts pounded the San Jose Giants 11-5:

Chuckie Jones(RF)- 2 for 5, SB(4).  BA= .252.
Mitch Delfino(3B)- 2 for 5.  BA= .286.
Blake Miller(2B)- 3 for 4, 2B.  BA= .320.
Brian Ragira(1B)- 3 for 4, 2B.  BA= .225.

Low A  Augusta Greenjackets blanked the Lexington Legends 1-0:

Chase Johnson(RHP)- 5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 3 K.  ERA= 5.56.
Jake Smith(RHP)- 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K's.  ERA= 2.06.
Luis Castillo(RHP)- 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, Save(7).  ERA= 3.75.

Derek Law has the dreaded forearm tightness and will see a doctor about it.

Remember Chevy Clarke, a very toolsy prospect from the 2010 draft?  The Angels released him with a career minor league BA of .219.  It's a tough, tough business to break into!


  1. Just goes to show that predicting prospects is rarely perfect. Was kind of annoyed that BA ranked our farm 28th, but given the lack of traction with the next gen of pitchers, maybe they're more right than wrong. Of course, I have high hopes for Duffy and Graham given they way they've ripped it in a tough batters' league. I still think Duval and Panik could be for real too, even if there is always the potential for them to be just AAAA types. They're both relatively young, so that gives me hopes it is more than less.

    I will say I really hope the Giants don't go crazy on any trades. I don't begrudge them one bit for the Wheeler trade, but I honestly don't see a need unless we're going to move Timmy out of the rotation. And I think there is a chemistry factor that I just worry about messing with. Not to mention giving up the farm short term when the kids are iffy right now and we don't know who is going to hit when we need them given the various pending FAs. Would feel a lot better if Panda were under contract though.


    1. Tyler Graham is over 30 years old, so he is really not a prospect at this point. Not saying he won't be the next Brandon Hicks, but the odds are against it.

    2. Going over the last few years (and not necessarily more ancient than that), it seems to me that the smaller trades had worked out better than the blockbuster ones.

      The Pence trade was big and he did well once aboard, with chemistry, leadership and RBI, though not BA/SLG.

      The other big trade, for Beltran, didn't turn out as we hade hoped.

      The smaller trades/transactions (trade deadline or near trade deadline, excluding ones made in the offseason), though, like Javier, Ramirez, Scutaro, Burrell, Ross, etc really helped a lot.

      It looks like it's less about Sabes being savvy or not, but more about the size of the transaction, i.e. more success with smaller ones (that is, the big ones were not failures, but had success less often, or had less impact)....and less costly, as well....that is, more success on a cost-benefit basis.

    3. If there are only two "big" trades, one of which worked wonderfully and the other of which got derailed by injury/injuries, the inference here is extremely weak. Add in Freddy Sanchez for Alderson, slightly less "big" than Beltran/Wheeler but analogous (veteran hitter for first-round-draft-choice pitcher still in minors), and the inference is still weaker. I have a good deaL of faith in Sabean to make any size of transaction. In particular, whatever the favorable impact on the Giants, there's been remarkably little unfavorable impact in terms of losing valuable personnel.

    4. Big, medium, little. Sabean's trades over the course of his tenure as GM have been quite remarkably good. No GM is going to have a perfect trade record, but Sabes comes about as close as anyone. The only ones you could consider a significant loss are the AJP trade and maybe the Beltran trade, but Beltran actually hit quite well while he was here. The goal was to win another championship and it didn't work out. The rest of his trades have been good to awesome.

  2. Of those examples I have looked, the smaller trades have worked out better, on a cost/benefit basis.

    I think it's not certain that we can infer beyond that to more ancient trades/transactions, with big like Schmidt, Livan or the White Sox trade and smaller trades/transaction like Lofton, etc.

    So, I mentioned and I would caution against that.

    The one inference we can make, then, is this: Don't overlook the small/smaller trades/transactions.