Wednesday, June 18, 2014

Down on the Farm: 6/17/2014

AAA  Fresno Grizzlies edged the New Orleans Zephyrs 4-3:

Adam Duvall(3B)- 1 for 4, HR(22).  BA= .294.
Joe Panik(2B)- 1 for 3, BB, SB(2).  BA= .314.
Travis Ishikawa(1B)- 1 for 4, HR(4).  BA= .256.
Chris Heston(RHP)- 6 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 0 BB 2 K's.  ERA= 3.69.
Heath Hembree(RHP)- 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, Save(13).  ERA= 3.38.

The Panik hit parade and the Duvall HR barrage continue.

AA  Binghampton Mets defeated the Richmond Flying Squirrels 5-1:

Matt Duffy(SS)- 2 for 3, 2B, BB, E(11).  BA= .344.
Ty Blach(LHP)- 5 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 4 BB, 1 K.  ERA= 2.79.

For comparison, Brandon Crawford has made 9 errors in 67 games to Duffy's 11 in 63 games.

High A  San Jose Giants were idle.

Low A  Augusta Greenjackets were idle.

Short Season  Salem-Keizer Volcanoes topped the Vancouver Canadians 4-3:

Ty Hollick(CF)- 2 for 4.  BA= .412.
Craig Massoni(1B)- 2 for 4, HR(1).  BA= .353.
Johnshwy Fargas(LF)- 1 for 2, 2 BB, SB(1).  BA= .400.
Jason Forjet(RHP)- 5 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 4 K's.  ERA= 5.40.
Dusten Knight(RHP)- 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 2 K's.  ERA= 0.00.
EJ Encinosa(RHP)- 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K's.  ERA= 3.00.

Again, Fargas is the dude I am excited about here.

DSL  Giants beat the Mariners 4-2:

Mikey Edie(CF, 16 yo)- 0 for 3, BB, SB(5).  BA= .231.
Kelvin Beltre(3B, 17 yo)- 0 for 2, 2 BB.  BA= .213.
Carlos Valdez(DH, 20 yo)- 2 for 4, 2B.  BA= .500.
Victor Concepcion(RHP, 17 yo)- 6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 4 K's.  ERA= 3.79.
Olbis Parra(RHP, 19 yo)- 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K's. ERA= 0.00.
Alvaro Diaz(RHP, 20 yo)- 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K's, Save(5).  ERA= 0.00.

Since giving up 6 ER in 2 IP, in his first start, Concepcion has allowed just 2 ER in 17 IP over his next 3 with 12 K's and 3 BB's.


  1. There he is: John's Highway Fargas. Cool.

  2. I like that Panik is holding his own up at AAA, just wonder what kind of timetable/plans the Giants currently have mapped out for him.

    Doc, what's your overall impression of Fargas' tools? Also, what are your thoughts on the Crawford/Duffy error comparison?

    1. From what I've seen, Fargas has at least 4 tools with the possibility that the power may come in the future. Loved the draft pick and love what we're seeing in the box scores so far!

      There is a lot more to fielding than errors, but I was trying to show that Duffy's error rate at SS is not way out of line with a pretty good MLB SS.

  3. I am wondering why Panik has not been called up. The 2B position for us is a huge hole. I am 99.99% sure that Panik would do no worse than Hicks and still provide decent defense. But, we will probably go sell the farm to get a guy like Daniel Murphy. Why? Why not give Panik a shot to see if he can do it while saving some decent prospects for other possible trades. As it stands right now we would have to give up a top pitching prospect and possibly more to get a guy like Murphy. It just doesn't make any sense. It is not known if Panik is a MLB player or a AAAA player so why not give him a shot. We all can agree that Hicks is not getting it done.

    Since Duvall is obviously blocked at 3B isn't it time to see if he could play another position or LF. His bat is pretty special. Why not give him another option?

    1. On the surface, I cannot argue with you re. Panik. I am sure there are specific things the coaches look for to determine if a prospect is MLB ready. Don't forget that a lot of Giants prospect watchers were writing Panik off completely after last year at AA. I did not agree with that assessment, but he now is only a half-season removed from AA, so it may well be too early to throw him into the MLB mix. From a strictly numbers standpoint, I agree. Time to give Panik the big test.

      Duvall was a 2B when he was drafted. He's played some 1B. I don't know if he could play LF or not, but it seems like not a huge test.

    2. How's Duvall's 2B defense compared with Scutaro's?

    3. Since Duvall has not played 2B since the summer he was drafted, I think we have to assume he won't be playing that position. Do you mean Scutaro's D when he's healthy or now? Right now, pretty much anybody could play it better than Scooter!

    4. I do sound like a bit desperate, don't I?

    5. When specifically asked about it, Bobby Evans said that Panik is now getting his footing in AAA after weakness in AA, and that for Panik's sake it would be premature to make him start again at a new level after--as DrB says--being "only a half-season removed from AA." I trust the Giants FO, and their minor league managers/coaches, to know their players and to be able to gauge those young players' psyches; I trust them to be able to figure out what does and what "doesn't make any sense" with much more accuracy than gets attained by fans who look at two or three months' worth of minor-league stats, which DrB rightly calls 'the surface."

      Of course the Giants have got huge dividends from trading for vets at mid-season, but their rationale for doing those trades may be less amorphous than philosophy and MO. They may want to minimize rookie blunders when each game is potentially crucial, minimize the jitters of untested men in high-leverage situations, minimize possibly long periods of acclimatization to an MLB level of play, and so on. That would help explain why they're more amenable to giving rookies a chance at the start of the year rather than when pennant races heat up, and why they will try rookie pitchers, in the pen or in a five-man rotation, when they shy from entrusting an everyday position to a rookie mid-year.

    6. It is six of one and half dozen of the other. The Giants recognize the value of a veteran during a pennant race. They don't value throwing rookies or unproven people in those high leverage situations. That is the definition of an MO and a philosophy, regardless of what is driving their decision.

  4. I just don't think the Giants hand Panik the 2B job. Not their MO as they have gone the trade route to get a veteran in that position when the need arose mid season the last couple of times.Both times those players were instrumental in the Giants going to and winning the WS. I don't think it is an issue with Panik as much as the Giants philosophy, one that has paid huge dividends.

    1. I agree. I predict they will go after a veteran 2B at or before the trade deadline.