I've been reading comments around the internet about how much progress the Giants have made under Farhan Zaidi's leadership. I've seen a few of those comments here too. Q: Are the Giants better off today than they were on this date in 2018? Let's break it down.
Farhan so far has eschewed big splashes in favor of a "sluice box" approach to talent acquisition wherein he signs practically every released player available, gives them a few games to show something and moves on if they don't. The "Sluice Box" has indeed turned up a few very nice nuggets, but pile of tailings is a veritable mountain. There's nothing wrong with that except the mountain of tailings represents a whole lot of unproductive PA's and IP all with a attached opportunity cost. After almost a full calendar year of sluicing, here's a list of acquired players currently on the 40 man roster:
LHP Fernando Abad
RHP Kyle Barraclough
RHP Jandel Gustave
LHP Wandy Peralta
LHP Sam Selman
RHP Burch Smith
C Steven Vogt
IF Cristhian Adames
IF Mauricio Dubon
IF Donovan Solano
OF Jaylin Davis
OF Alex Dickerson
OF Mike Gerber
OF Kevin Pillar
OF Joey Rickard
OF Mike Yastrzemski
Mike Yastrzemski is clearly the biggest shiniest nugget in the bunch. He's had a fantastic season and has been a great story. He has 5 more years of control on his contract, but will be age 34 by the final season of control. He may have turned the corner on his career bigly, but there's a reason why he's a 29 yo rookie.
Kevin Pillar is putting the finishing touches on his likely career year. He has one more year of arbitration eligibility left. How likely is it for him to repeat his performance or even come close next season?
Alex Dickerson may have almost singlehandedly turned the Giants season around, but he also lived up to his reputation for injury proneness and his future looks very uncertain.
Donovan Solano and Steven Vogt have had great seasons but are both free agents in a week.
Mauricio Dubon and Jaylin Davis appear to have significant upside, but it remains to be seen if their bats will play at this level.
Jandel Gustave may be in the mix for Closer next season and Barraclough may be in the mix for a setup job.
I think we can all agree that the rest of the names on the list are replacement players at best.
The process of acquiring this mother lode of talent came with a significant opportunity cost. Don't forget the first 2 lost months of the season when corner OF's were coming and going on a daily basis. That put the team in a hole they almost dug themselves out of, but not quite, which probably had the ripple effect of prompting a sell at the trade deadline rather than a buy.
Just for fun, I looked up all of the OF free agents who signed 1 year contracts this past offseason: Here are a couple of names: 1. Avisail Garcia- 1 yr/$3 M. 2. Adam Jones- 1 yr/$3 M. Then there is my fave Domingo Santana who was acquired by Mariners in trade for close to nothing. He's admittedly tailed off badly here at the end of he season, but that start sure would have made a difference in the first 2 months! Sure, I don't know if Farhan had a shot at any of those players, but teams did acquire them at those prices. Those players were producing for those teams while the Giants hit rock bottom sluicing for the few gold nuggets they found, as shiny as they were.
Let's also compare Farhan's trade deadline with what his old employer, the A's did. They acquired RHP Homer Bailey, RHP Tanner Roark and LHP Jake Diekman. They gave up 0 top prospects to land those pitchers who have made a huge difference in the A's playoff-bound stretch run. Again, we'll never know if those deals were open to Farhan, but the A's managed to pull them off.
None of those names came at a cost of either money or prospects the Giants could not afford. What's more, none of those acquisitions would have precluded them from also acquiring YtY, Pillar, Solano, Vogt, Dubon or Davis. They would also not have precluded Farhan from trading off Mark Melancon's contract, which right now isn't looking so bad for the Braves.
Meanwhile, Madison Bumgarner, Will Smith, Tony Watson, Donovan Solano and Steven Vogt will be free agents in another week. They along with the Melancon contract Farhan was able to dump gives the Giants significant room to spend money this offseason, but on what? I, for one, am not convinced Farhan's roster churning aka sluice boxing has really moved the needle all that much and may have cost the Giants a postseason berth. We'll have to hope Farhan is better prepared for this offseason than last.
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To GYM: How can you say the Giants were never going to be contenders this year when they actually were contenders until they sold at the trade deadline?
Tuesday, September 24, 2019
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The Giants were never going to be contenders this year. I wish they would have got more Adam Jones types they could have flipped at the deadline, but I really disagree with the idea that we missed some big opportunity this year and that some mid range FAs were going to push us to a run. This was a bad baseball team outside of one hot month.
ReplyDeleteAlso think it takes time, we aren't going to see immediate results. Adding a few quality young players that are going to be quality big Leaguers should be the goal, and I think we obtained that. We didn't have that many trade pieces (the better pieces we kept against my thoughts).
They were pretenders around the trade deadline. They have one other month above .500 and that was 14-13. We didn't trade anyone from the rotation, you think a rotation with Webb/Beede is a contender? We didn't trade any pieces from our lineup - July .795 OPS, August .765, September - .593.
DeleteWhat pieces did we trade that are sinking our chances? Tony Watson fell off a cliff and went on IR, Reyes went down, Will Smith hasn't been the same. Sam Dyson (who may have been hurt when we traded him) and Drew Pomeranz were going to keep us afloat? We didn't stop being contenders because we traded away some minor pieces, we stopped being contenders because we never were contenders. Just a bad team that got on a hot streak at the perfectly wrong time and made everyone forgot the state of the roster. Compare the 25 man roster to the Braves, Dodgers, Astros, Yankees. I don't want to sound argumentative because I appreciate this blog and you do a great job, but this roster isn't close to contending with those teams.
Everybody makes good points, but I tend to agree mostly with what Gym says. My heart was telling me buy at the trade deadline, but my head was telling me sell, since this team is rebuilding and not talented enough to contend. I think the Giants stayed in the race long enough thanks to Zaidis acquisitions. What's also impressed me is that he created a more flexible roster, more depth in the org, and brought in younger talent with his trades, as well as giving young farmhands a chance to show what they can do up here. It remains to be seen if Zaidi can bring the Giants back to contention but nice 1st steps were taken this season in my opinion.
DeletePillar has been a pleasant addition, his dramatic catches and team leading homeruns have been bright among a mostly dark team. In the overall scheme of things his WAR although high on this un-achieving team (July notwithstanding) doesn't qualify him as even a regular, 0-2 being a sub.
ReplyDelete$6+ million spent on him next year will be ~ returned by his 1+ WAR, but he is blocking Duggar and others that could be getting the ABs while the team still finishes 3rd or 4th or 5th in the division.
Spend the money on pitching!
Every year you wonder what could have been if a team went in a certain direction instead of another...Well, when Van Wagenen was hired by the Mets to basically go all in this year I thought it could serve as a good case study. And it became even a clearer case when the Mets, who were in that gray area of contention at the deadline, doubled down and acquired perhaps the costliest available SP in terms of prospects, Marcus Stroman. after a drama-filled up and down season, the bottom line is that as of now, the most likely conclusion is that the Mets are NOT making the playoffs. Their team OPS is .a respectable 769, 11th in all of MLB. Run differential is +42.
ReplyDeleteWhatever the configuration, I do not believe any combination of the players you suggested Doc could have put the Giants team ahead of what the Mets did this year. Milwaukee might be a bit lucky, but basically it seems like you'd have to win around 88-89 games to get to even the second WC. The Giants were not a few marginal upgrades away from contention.
Could the reason why players like Homer Bailey, Tanner Roark, and Jake Diekman are key contributors is because the A's are a already a good team and so improving on the margins is a good strategy? On the Giants these guys may be contributing to 4-1, 3-0 losses.
All of this is to say that I wholly support what Zaidi is doing and I'd rather not continue trying to upgrade on the margins with older players like Adam Jones, Robinson Cano, etc. I did like Van Wegenen's acquisition of J.D. Davis and I think those are the type of players Zaidi is focused on getting.
For this offseason I'd rather see Zaidi continue to stockpile depth and young(ish) talent instead of swinging for the fences in free agency. For example, between the choice of running Alex Dickerson out there or doling out 4 year/80+ million for Castellanos, I'd rather take my chances that Dickerson can produce a WAR close to Castellanos.
Having said that, I wouldn't be opposed to quickly upgrading the rotation by resigning Bumgarner and looking to the Asian market for talent, like Takahiro Norimoto if he gets posted. I'd even be open to seeing if Yusei Kikuchi is available after a rough year in Seattle. It's a talented arm that might be fixable and I'd be willing to give up Tyler Beede and others to see if he can right the ship in the NL.