Wednesday, November 13, 2019

Thoughts on Gabe Kapler

As expected, the Giants announced the hiring of a new Manager shortly on the heels of hiring a new GM.  Their choice of Gabe Kapler has already drawn strong reactions from various corners of the fanbase such as mccoveychronicles.com.  My thoughts are, as always, my opinion and based on information available in the public domain.  I do not personally have any non-public information.

Kapler comes, to put it mildly, with some baggage.  If you want details about his role in two very problematic situations during his tenure running Player Development for the Dodgers, I highly suggest reading two posts from yesterday in the above mentioned McCovey Chronicles.  BTW, Kapler's boss when those situations occurred was none other than Farhan Zaidi himself.  While I believe people are capable of learning from their mistakes, I do hope Giants ownership have done their due diligence in making sure situations like that won't occur during Farhan's and Kapler's tenures with the Giants as well as making sure there is no pending legal jeopardy stemming from their Dodgers employment.

Gabe Kapler's 2-year tenure managing the Phillies was rocky and polarizing to say the least with a string of incidents ranging from in-game decisions to his management of the clubhouse.  Of particular note as an attempt to change pitchers when he had none warmed up in the bullpen and a reported clubhouse incident involving Carlos Santana(not the guitar player) destroying a TV screen being used to play video games.  The moment that sticks in my mind came during an in-game TV interview.  Kapler had just lifted SP Jake Arrieta(who was getting shelled and needed to come out, BTW).  Kapler and Arrieta appeared to exchange words in the dugout that were not completely friendly.  When asked by the TV crew about the exchange with Arrieta, Kapler responded in a sort of faux drill sergeant/jock/Clint Eastwood growly voice, "I told him he was a warrior and had given everything he had and needed to let his teammates pick him up" or something that effect.  From my perch on the recliner chair watching the game, I said out loud, "oh geez!  Can you imaging having to listen to THAT day after day in the dugout and clubhouse?"  Again, everybody has their preferred managing styles.  That is just not mine.  So Gabe Kapler is not my choice to be Bruce Bochy's successor as Manager of the Giants.

On top of his own baggage, Gabe Kapler also has a very tough act to follow in San Francisco.  It helps that the last several years of Bruce Bochy's tenure did not go so well, but he will inevitably be compared to Boch at some point and it's not likely to be a favorable comparison.  Giants fans in general are supportive and forgiving, but they have also come to have high expectations and rightfully so.  I will continue to root for the Giants to win and wish both Kapler and Farhan many rings.  In general, managers tend to perform better in their second gig.  Bruce Bochy himself was once widely scorned for losing his DH in a World Series game when he was managing the Padres.  I personally question whether  Gabe Kapler has had adequate time to reflect on his tenure in Philadelphia or whether he is even capable of said reflection, but I hope his Giants tenure goes better and he proves to be a great manager.

16 comments:

  1. Doc; as you may recall I have been a Diehard Giants fan for 50 plus years.!
    That wont change.
    I gotta say; I am deeply disappointed in the naming of Kaplar.
    I am sad to see this act of cronyism by Farhan.
    Maybe Kaplar can change.

    Richard in Winnipeg

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  2. I read somewhere that Kapler is just a puppet manager through whom Zaidi can fully run the team. If that's the case, I say that they'll both be fired within 2 seasons. I think that this is a horrible hiring. But I'm a Giants fan. Have been since 86. I'll trust them, for now. But I'm still very skeptical about this.

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  3. I hope he says something dumb early - like at the winter meetings, and gets canned before Christmas. Only upside in a Kapler hire is he exposes Zaidi's cronyism and the limitations of small sample size analytics, and they are all gone by next winter, the churn having left the Giants with a bunch of lottery prospects and a high draft position for 2021.
    Hugely disappointed.

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  4. You will probably note an electronic device in Kapler's ear this year. That will be his direct line from Zaidi and providing instructions on lineups, tactics, pitching, double switches, changes, shifting, when to take, when to steal, when to bunt: you won't see strings attached to Kapler but they will be there and he'll be an SF incarnation of Dave Roberts.
    OTOH, as is often espoused, if you make management decisions based on what the fans want, soon you'll be sitting with them.

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    1. How many years has Roberts made in to the Post Season since he became Manager?

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    2. How many World Series wins?
      2019 Lost LDS (3-2)
      2018 Lost WS (4-1)
      2017 Lost WS (4-3)
      2016 Lost NLCS (4-2)

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  5. Not to defend Kapler, but it was 1st reported that the girl was assaulted by a woman who was with the players, the girl later said no a player was involved with the assault. There are important questions that Kapler and Zaidi need to answer to regarding their handling of this terrible incident, and agree with Doc that Giants need to look at their own protocol in handling these type of situations so it doesn't happen again. I see it as a positive that Kapler and Zaidi used to work together, since it's important for the manager to communicate with the front office. Bochy and Sabean became good friends. It was reported that what swayed Zaidi was that people around baseball and even the Phillies had good things to say about Kapler. Evan Longoria endorsed the hire calling Kapler a good leader. They were teammates in Tampa. I'm willing to give Kapler a chance, it'll come down to the won/loss record of course. Now Zaidi and Harris can concentrate on acquiring good players for 2020, so Kapler can get off to a good start.

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  6. I am not happy about this hire. Kapler management style is characterized by having "out of the box" thinking, but most see his moves as not so much logical. Plus-not enforcing sexuaul mis-conduct situations with minor leaguers is unsettling. I hope it all works out, but hope is not a strategy.

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  7. Well let's see what happens - I'd like to see Corey Dickerson and Mike Moustakas arrive, Brandon Belt leave, Longoria over to 1B. Short leash on Crawford and churn for journeyman starters?

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    1. I forgot we also need Brock Holt to go with Moustakas in the infield with Dubon and Solano. Holt also an outfielder I think.

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    2. Brandon Belt leave? Is that easy?
      Does someone not on his no-trade want him? What do the Giants have to GIVE to get rid of him?
      Cut him, eat the salary?
      Sure wish those saying things like "Brandon Belt leave" would flesh it out a little...

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    3. OK well I guess I'm saying I'd like to see Brandon Belt leave, don't care how. Maybe Zaidi will flesh that out for me. Maybe Kapler will Belt-whisper him into becoming a clutch hitter instead of taking called strike three and moaning and whining about the call. In which case I'd like to see Brandon Belt stay!

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  8. I have to admit I wasn't thrilled about the Kapler hire based on what I have heard in the media and his lack of success in Philly. Having said that, I kept an open mind and listened to his press conference today and came away very impressed. Call me naive or overly optimistic but Kapler comes off as humble, hard working, personable, dedicated, and willing to listen to the people around him to improve on the mistakes he has made. He has good values instilled in him by his parents who were human rights activists and seems very genuine and someone who I wouldn't mind having as a manager in baseball or any other line of work.

    The incident with the minor leaguers was just as much Farhan's fault if not more than it was Kaplers but based on the information I think they did everything they were advised to do by their legal team. Like most incidents today he got dragged through the mud by the media but the facts don't support that he did anything wrong (the victims grandmother asked him NOT to contact the police regarding the incident and he respected her wishes while also following team protocol).

    Kapler had a foundation from 2004 with his ex wife that supported victims of domestic violence and seems to genuinely care as opposed to just saying the right thing. He was willing to admit his mistakes and learn from them so that not only he doesn't repeat them but also those around him learn from them as well.

    Most managers and coaches don't start out great and even the ones that have immediate success like Alex Cora, Matt Williams, and Dave Roberts still stumble. If he truly does know how to learn from his past experiences I think we could potentially have a great clubhouse presence as well as someone that fits in with the community and the beliefs of most San Francisco natives and fans. He is an ex major leaguer with front office experience focused on player development and 2 years of managerial experience now under his belt. All those great young players on the Dodgers came up under him! I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt and has a chance to surprise all of us if we can excercise a little patience and support.

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    1. I was in the same boat but I have to 100% agree.

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  9. Complete "trainwreck"....I have always been a HUGE fan of the Orange and Black 'laundry', both in NY and since then in SF. In the main, the personalities have never caused me to cringe, or hold my nose in fear of the smell. This choice will sadly be very difficult to ignore, and perhaps we have learned more about Zaidi than Kapler. I may very well be wrong, but I do not expect Kapler to finish out the length of his 3 year contract, and I doubt Zaidi will ever be renewed either. Sometimes doing the hard thing is a matter of principle, and other times, like this instance, doing the hard thing is just stupidity. We will all be several years older and far less naive when the next Administration arrives to show us all how to rebuild an even more broken down baseball club. Oh well, there is always the 2026 Wild Card to dream about!

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  10. In good news, Kapler stated that he would retain Wotus as his 3rd base coach and Wotus accepted. This is good for the team. Also a good sign of Kapler's judgement.

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