While we wait for Farhan Zaidi to finish scoping out the Giants organization and start making moves, we'll continue our series of draft reviews. Heliot Ramos at pick #19 went to the Giants and we'll take a look at where is pro career stands.
11. Jake Burger, White Sox, 3B, College(Missouri St): DNP. Burger missed the 2018 season due to a ruptured Achilles tendon. Grade Incomplete.
12. Shane Baz, Pirates, RHP, HS: R(Pirates)- 4-3, 3.97, 45.1 IP, 10.72 K/9, 4.57 BB/9. R(Rays)- 0-2, 7.71, 7 IP, 6.43 K/9, 7.71 BB/9. Mixed results in rookie ball, but still has a high ceiling. Traded to the Rays midseason for Chris Archer. Grade C.
13. Trevor Rogers, Marlins, LHP, HS: Low A- 2-7, 5.82, 72.2 IP, 10.53 K/9, 3.34 BB/9, GB/FB= 1.56. Peripherals better than ERA for this high ceiling LHP. Grade C+.
14. Nick Pratto, Royals, 1B, HS: Low A- .280/.343/.443, 14 HR, 22 SB, 8.4 BB%, 27.9 K%, 537 PA. I was not excited about Pratto coming into the draft. He as a 2-way player in HS and I thought he did not quite have the arm for pitching and not enough bat for 1B. I am most suprised by the 22 SB. Maybe he could play OF? Grade B.
15. JB Bakauskas, Astros, RHP, College(North Carolina): R- 0-0, 10.80, 1.2 IP, 10.80 K/9, 0.00 BB/9. Short Season- 0-0, 0.00, 8.1 IP, 9.72 K/9, 2.16 BB/9. Low A- 1-2, 4.20, 15 IP, 12.60 K/9, 4.20 BB/9. A+- 3-0, 1.61, 28 IP, 9.96 K/9, 4.18 BB/9. AA- 0-0, 0.00, 6 IP, 12.00 K/9, 3.00 BB/9. AFL- 2-1, 3.33, 24.1 IP, 10 BB, 24 K. High floor college pitcher. Missed a couple of months with in injury but looked fine at multiple levels after return from DL. Got in some extra innings in the AFL. Grade B.
16. Clarke Schmidt, Yankees, RHP, College(South Carolina): R- 0-2, 7.04, 7.2 IP, 14.09 K/9, 2.35 BB/9. R- 0-0, 1.23, 7.1 IP, 9.82 K/9, 2.45 BB/9. Short Season- 0-1, 1.08, 8.1 IP, 10.80 K/9, 2.16 BB/9. Underwent TJ surgery prior to the draft. Came back late June with mixed results. Last appearance was 8/5/2018. I was not able to find why he was shut down early. Grade C-.
17. Evan White, Mariners, 1B/OF, College(Kentucky): A+- .303/.375/.458, 11 HR, 4 SB, 9.7 BB%, 19.1 K%, 538 PA. You hope to see more power in the future, but otherwise fine numbers for a first full pro season. If he can play OF, the power might not matter as much. Grade B+.
18. Alex Faedo, Tigers, RHP, College(Florida): A+- 2-4, 3.10, 61 IP, 7.52 K/9, 1.92 BB/9. AA- 3-6, 4.95, 60 IP, 8.85 K/9, 3.30 BB/9. I had him pegged as a pitch-to-contact innings eater when his name was at the top of mock drafts. That's what his first pro season looks like too. Grade B.
19. Heliot Ramos, Giants, OF, HS: Low A- .245/.313/.396, 11 HR, 8 SB, 6.5 BB%, 25.4 K%. Farhan Zaidi commended Heliot just for sticking it out for a full season in Augusta which is an extreme pitcher-friendly environment in a pitcher's league. He dropped his K rate from rookie ball and showed some pop in his bat. Expected to see more SB's, but I'm not sure SB's in the minors are necessarily and good thing anymore. Do the Giants keep him in Augusta for another year or promote him to San Jose where he will be very young for level and likely struggle? I think it's almost inevitable that he repeats a year. Do you want that repeat year in Augusta or San Jose?. Grade C+.
20. David Peterson, Mets, LHP, College(Oregon): Low A- 1-4, 1.82, 59.1 IP, 8.65 K/9, 1.67 BB/9. A+- 6-6, 4.33, 68.2 IP, 7.60 K/9, 2.49 BB/9. This is the guy I thought the Giants would draft if he was on the board and I would have been OK with it....except for the Heliot Ramos being a Dodger part. Cautious assignments by the Mets with mixed results. Peripherals look like a high floor college draftee. I'll still take Heliot's ceiling. Grade B.
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Heliot Ramos to SJ -- he and Sandro Fabian can commiserate together. DR & PR: island buddies learning together.
ReplyDeleteWill Zaidi lightning strike twice for Erik Goeddel: May 18, 2018: Selected off waivers by the Los Angeles Dodgers from the Seattle Mariners? Another wild hair to tame... Or is it a wild hare?
Guess that goes for Zac Rosscup, too. July 11, 2018: Selected off waivers by the Los Angeles Dodgers from the Colorado Rockies.
DeleteSorta/kinda suspect LAD castoffs are pretty good!
I wanna see what he can do in SJ! Though competition is older it is a hitters environment so why not?
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I'm not sure having him repeat at Augusta, in those pitching-friendly confines, would be conducive to his development. There is something to be said for overcoming adversity of course, but it may also affect his confidence and cause him to press or alter his swing. As Zaidi acknowledges, Ramos did a commendable job in Augusta given his age and the league. Let the hitter hit- in the Cal League. He will again face a challenge in Richmond so let's see how he does in San Jose first.
ReplyDeletePromoting a prospect who hit 245 makes no sense to me, but Jalen Miller, 2015 3rd round pick, out of high school, struggled at Augusta his 1st season and San Jose his 2nd season, and just had a breakout 3rd season in San Jose. Maybe Ramos will follow this development path. He has youth on his side so Giants could afford to be patient as well.
DeleteDtr. B: Holding Heliot Ramos back to repeat a season in Augusta is the old Brian-Sabean way of thinking. It may happen, but it is time to be aggressive with Ramos and see how he handles the added pressure. If the kid is going to make it big, he doesn't need to be "bottle" or "spoon" feed.Let's see how he reacts when playing alongside Joey Bart and some of the alleged quality pitchers who are predicted to be throwing for San Jose.
ReplyDeleteSo, what prospects has Sabean held back over the years?
DeleteNo grade inflation on this Board. Agree with C+ for H.R.
ReplyDeleteRemember the grade is for performance so far, not overall prospect status. I remain quite bullish on Heliot Ramos.
DeleteOff the top of my head I cannot recall any recent prospects who were held back, but the sad fact is that for a long time the Giants haven't had any sure-fire prospects who were good enough to even be considered as being blatantly held back.
ReplyDeleteThe main point of this series of draft reviews is to look at whether that lack of prospects was due to poor drafting or low draft position. The answer with only one or two exceptions is that it as mostly poor draft position as most drafts it is hard to make a case that a different GM and scouting team would likely have done better.
DeleteMy observation: we haven't done well in the past on outfielders (please, Duggar, prove me wrong). I'll admit that I hoped Gary Brown would develop, but most of the Giants outfield draftees have been 'meh' at best.
DeleteAnd there's an area to be addressed: outfield scouting and development.
Again, I would say, look at their draft positions and who they are drafting when they have high first round picks. In this series starting in 2011, they have only taken 2 OF's in the first round, Gary Brown and Heliot Ramos. In Brown's case, we reviewed the subsequent picks and concluded he was essentially the best player available. Too early to tell how Ramos will turn out, but I still have high hopes.
DeleteTo put it another way, I don't believe the lack of homegrown OF's is due to a scouting/development deficit but rather to where they were drafting and who was the best player available at the time.
It seems to have improved. Theses are the best picks from 'way back (years not shown are not memorable):
ReplyDelete1993 Bill Mueller
1995 Joe Nathan, Russ Ortiz
1997 Scott Linebrink, Jason Grilli
1998 Ryan Vogelsong
1999 Jerome Williams
2001 Noah Lowry, Brad Hennessey
2002 Matt Cain, Fred Lewis, Kevin Correia, Travis Ishikawa
2003 Brian Wilson, Nate Schierholtz
2004 Jonathan Sanchez
2005 Sergio Romo
2006 Tim Lincecum
2007 Madison Bumgarner
2008 Buster Posey, Brandon Crawford
2009 Brandon Belt, Zack Wheeler
2010 Adam Duvall, Heath Hembree
2011 Joe Panik, Kyle Crick
2012 Matt Duffy, Ty Blach, Chris Stratton, Mac Williamson
2013 Christian Arroyo, Ryder Jones, Chase Johnson
2014 Austin Slater, Aramis Garcia, Logan Webb, Jordan Johnson
2015 Steven Duggar, Andrew Suarez, Chris Shaw, Phil Bickford, Jalen Miller, Ryan Howard
2016 Bryan Reynolds, Heath Quinn, Gio Brusa, Garrett Williams, Pat Ruotolo
2017 Heliot Ramos, Jacob Gonzales, Jason Bahr, Aaron Bond, Logan Baldwin
2018 Joey Bart, Sean Hjelle, Jake Wong, David Villar
From Matt Cain in 2002, you can see the building for 2010-2016. Still no Cain, Lincecum, or Bumgarner but things maybe are getting better again since 2014 or so -- prepping for 2020?
I know this is a broken record, but remember from 2011-2015, the Giants had low draft positions due to their sustained success at the MLB level.
Delete...and they gave up their first rounder in 2016 to sign Shark, but 2016 is looking like a very weak draft in general.
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