tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post7459325979439570540..comments2024-03-27T21:44:24.119-07:00Comments on When the Giants Come to Town...: Down on the Farm: Final AFL StatisticsDrBGiantsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05574563470247927739noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-54963271072857086732012-11-22T06:24:15.230-08:002012-11-22T06:24:15.230-08:00Sorry to hear that. Brain, Pancreas and Lung CA&#...Sorry to hear that. Brain, Pancreas and Lung CA's are real SOB's. Key seems to be early detection. Haven't made much progress on that front with these bad boys.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-75548429474942618822012-11-21T22:46:07.161-08:002012-11-21T22:46:07.161-08:00Shankbone, I totally agree with your assessments o...Shankbone, I totally agree with your assessments of Brown and Panik, and totally with the usual caveats. The biggest issues, to your point somewhere here, is his puzzling inability to utilize his stellar speed into stolen bases. He seems like a smart guy, so that to me suggests that this is a coaching/instructor issue. Just hire some ex-Giants with SB-ability to teach him intensively during spring, like Billy North, Randy Winn, Darren Lewis, heck, give Rickey some love and he'll come a-running. obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-66815520665989411402012-11-21T22:40:38.511-08:002012-11-21T22:40:38.511-08:00I know, right, DrB? Though I have to put a large ...I know, right, DrB? Though I have to put a large part of the blame on the agent too. It is his fiduciary responsibility to let his client know when his bargaining position does not match up with the market in a gross way. Reminds me of Aurilia wanting something like 4 years, $40M, and instead he ended with a one year deal with the Mariners for like a tenth of that total size. Hey, this works out for us if Pagan should fall through, and he might even get a multi-year deal, if he finally realizes that he's asking for way too much. I think the Giants would be open to multi-years at the right salary.<br /><br />Yeah, too bad about Gomes, thought he might like to play for the Giants, but I don't blame him for not wanting to wait to see how Pagan situation works out when he has a 2 year deal in the hand, can't keep that team waiting too long.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-5819252282971212362012-11-21T16:15:59.235-08:002012-11-21T16:15:59.235-08:00http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8657402/mlbpa-le...http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8657402/mlbpa-leader-michael-weiner-good-fight-inoperable-brain-cancer<br /><br />the above totally sux<br /><br />probably the best labor leader in the entire country<br /><br />since he took over, not a single issue has come up and new agreements are signed without incident, with all sides being happy (sans minor leaguers)<br /><br />by all accounts, a very good man too<br /><br />put a man on the moon...created the net....but we cant kill cancer?<br /><br />bacciAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-90235612300390381462012-11-21T16:06:24.825-08:002012-11-21T16:06:24.825-08:00The thing you have to remember is the Marlins ARE ...The thing you have to remember is the Marlins ARE actually trying to win (at SOME point). Albeit under relatively extreme financial limitations.<br /><br />It would be an huge bummer if the Marlins win the World Series, say in 2015 or 2016. This methodology sucks. <br /><br />I think Doc is right. While Stanton isn't completely unavailable, it would take a TON for the Marlins to bite.<br /><br /> Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-28473354573479977472012-11-21T15:59:05.433-08:002012-11-21T15:59:05.433-08:00Unassuming guys don't usually flip the bat lik...Unassuming guys don't usually flip the bat like that. : P<br /><br />Yeah, shame about Gomes. Seemed like a nice fit. Kellynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-43423405765682284222012-11-21T14:19:30.795-08:002012-11-21T14:19:30.795-08:00I've read that part of a minor league manager&...I've read that part of a minor league manager's job is to file a progress report on every player after every game. I would hope they are not doing all that work just to have it filed somewhere while a stats guy in the back office just looks at an end of the year stat line.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-28178974441987739582012-11-21T13:19:43.042-08:002012-11-21T13:19:43.042-08:00I think this part of the equation gets glossed ove...I think this part of the equation gets glossed over. I really feel like Brown has a special bat. Sure, the prospectin' is littered with failures, but the other factor that gets trotted out is him being "old". Everybody seems to expect him to move at the pace of a Posey/Clark type, and that I find unreasonable.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-83187221442179873912012-11-21T12:25:43.609-08:002012-11-21T12:25:43.609-08:00I can't prove this is true, hard to tell leagu...I can't prove this is true, hard to tell league by league, but the thing that impressed me about Brown was that he learned to hit better in every league he has been in, and in college was able to dominate. In the Big West, out of the 7-8 seasons I could find up to Brown's season, there were only three hitters who hit as well as Brown did: Evan Longoria, Kurt Suzuki, and a third guy who appears to not going to make the majors, Kyle Blumenthal. And Brown outdid both Longoria and Suzuki. <br /><br />Here is what I wrote back then:<br /><br />Plus, Brown was the top hitter for one of the top teams in the nation that regularly makes the College World Series. And he was the top hitter in a conference that produced both Evan Longoria and Kurt Suzuki, both of whom he out-hit. And Fullerton is also one of the highest ranked teams in the U.S. by Boyd's World, 5th by Iterative Strength Ranking, 8th by RPI, showing how good the team was, and he was the best hitter on that team, even better than Christian Colon.<br /><br />Brown (2010): .438/.485/.695/1.180, ISO 257 (9 BB/12 SO in 210 AB)<br />Colon (2010): .358/.444/.630/1.074, ISO 272 (32 BB/18 SO in 257 AB)<br />Longoria (2006): .353/.468/.602/1.070, ISO 247 (40 BB/29 SO in 201 AB)<br />Blumenthal (2005): .410/.511/.557/1.068, ISO 147 (39 BB/21 SO in 183 AB)<br />Suzuki (2004): .413/.512/.702/1.214, ISO 289 (50 BB/25 SO in 252 AB)obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-58890307273103759972012-11-21T12:07:45.026-08:002012-11-21T12:07:45.026-08:00Substituting Hector Sanchez for Panik might be a s...Substituting Hector Sanchez for Panik might be a stronger package, but doesn't change the basic dynamic.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-29590895487678550922012-11-21T12:06:50.028-08:002012-11-21T12:06:50.028-08:00Cody Ross seems like a nice, unassuming guy, but a...Cody Ross seems like a nice, unassuming guy, but also seems to have always had an inflated opinion of his own market value.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-40129026409632487252012-11-21T11:48:59.637-08:002012-11-21T11:48:59.637-08:00Looks like Jonny Gomes is gonna be off the market....Looks like Jonny Gomes is gonna be off the market. 2 year deal with the Red Sox coming down the pipe apparently. Cody Ross - too much demand or too out there with his own demands? We'll see in a bit...Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-70066662397719658032012-11-21T11:47:43.806-08:002012-11-21T11:47:43.806-08:00Stealing Rickey would be funny. Hey, ya'll to...Stealing Rickey would be funny. Hey, ya'll took Chili Davis, we're taking Rickey.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-70693902462947197672012-11-21T11:46:26.784-08:002012-11-21T11:46:26.784-08:00I have to wonder what amount of stat watching the ...I have to wonder what amount of stat watching the Giants (and other teams do) compared to working on improvements that get relayed from the manager to the front office. I think the managers opinion counts for a helluva lot more than the stat line. We forget, but its really about grinding away. You do your job, you master what you're told to master, and then if there is room above you, you move up the depth chart and onto the next level of the organization. <br /><br />I still think Brown has the chance to be a special player, not just a solid regular. Panik, I think he is more of a solid regular type as an upside. Sure, these guys can totally be 4th OF/utility IF types, that happens all the time. But I'm not conceding that over 2 slow months to start the year. That's not enough rope.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-77017885180531396312012-11-21T11:41:38.441-08:002012-11-21T11:41:38.441-08:00Guillen grounded into a game ending double play in...Guillen grounded into a game ending double play in game 161. That turned out to be his last AB as a Giant. I upset a whole room full of sauv blanc sippin' ladies with a loud curse, my wife was mad at me for half the night... I agree, Bochy does emphasize defense, and Ross was clearly the superior defender. I think the Guillen/Nady comp is good though, 2 guys almost past their expiration date just trolling for some power. That's the story I get from all this.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-32277328720293709752012-11-21T11:31:42.056-08:002012-11-21T11:31:42.056-08:00I was going to put what Shankbone put, when Kelly ...I was going to put what Shankbone put, when Kelly managed for us, we had a bunch of guys running wild, using their speed. Our minor league baserunning instructor last season was Henry Cotto. And he was roving instructor. Nothing against him, but he wasn't that great a base stealer in the majors.<br /><br />We used to have Darren Lewis (who Bake named his son after) as our instructor previously. I would have loved to have secured Dave Roberts but he's a SD native and wanted to return to them. Given all that money we gave him, felt he owed us something more.<br /><br />What's Willie McGee doing nowadays? Brett Butler would be fine (saw his name somewhere) but he grew up loving the Dodgers, whereas Willie was a Bay Area native. Heck, Rickey Henderson is looking for a job, I think, maybe give him a shot.<br /><br />Looking at the minor league teams in the media book, it struck me that there is a hitting and pitching coach on each team, but no base stealing/running coach. I can't imagine that they are paying these coaches that much money, but that could explain why Brown is still getting caught so much, he needs better tutoring. Heck, given his significance, maybe the team should just hire one guy to work with him all the time, or just make it "Fresno" only, as if it is only for AAA but really for Brown to learn, this is not acceptable with him entering AAA next season. That was the only real setback I felt Brown had in 2012, that his CS just still looks so bad.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-72415743538107825232012-11-21T11:14:41.050-08:002012-11-21T11:14:41.050-08:00I think it is a reflection of both what the Giants...I think it is a reflection of both what the Giants think of them and that they want to see how they do against better competition, gives them a better framework than the regular season, where there is lumpiness in talent faced. And, yeah, of what is in the Giants system too.<br /><br />I agree that they are being nitpicked. It is the tyranny of being a "first round pick". As my draft research showed, not all first round picks are alike, those, like them, in the back third of the first round, are really more like the prospects following them than the ones ahead of them, because the odds of finding a good player is just that much less in that part of the draft. <br /><br />It is the other side of the same coin for the prospects who are not "top prospects", and one bad season spoils the whole barrel for some people, like Pablo as he was rising up the system, he had that one hiccup and even when he had a good season in a subsequent season, he couldn't even break the Top 30 by BA.<br /><br />Also, people's impression is strongly affected by the early impressions. Since they both struggled early on, attention fades and few notice how well they do later, particularly since all you see is seasonal batting lines, not monthly splits. That is why I focus more on trends, particularly with prospects, over a season, sure, SSS is in effect, but when there is a sharp and sustained change, I think that is significant. But a lot of people don't think much of this analysis, I've gotten a lot of flack over the years on this.<br /><br />yes, big seasons, but I'll be OK with another stumble followed by pretty good hitting. They are not top prospects expected to be great players in the majors, like Posey was or even Belt, they are good prospects, top for us because we've been winning and we traded our clear #1 away in Wheeler.<br /><br />That's why I think MLB GM's generally appear to not really scout that well, that they use BA as a shortcut sometimes. Sabean can trade away the Top 10 prospects he has that is not on his Keeper list, as that has cache for the opposing GM. But I noticed that when he has trouble making such trades, it is because he has a clear keeper and the other teams are stuck on their BA Top Prospects book, and demand that keeper, whether Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner, or Posey. I think Belt belongs on that list as well. <br /><br />I agree that Brown will get a long look in camp, even longer if we end up not signing Pagan or another clear starting CF. I think Panik will get a long look too, because he's getting closer to the majors. Panik might do well in EL because it is usually the big homerun hitters who get messed up there, the free swingers.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-45699319250541085732012-11-21T10:56:42.573-08:002012-11-21T10:56:42.573-08:00I think that Monnell could break through as a back...I think that Monnell could break through as a backup catcher as well. His 2009 suggests that he has some batting discipline skill there to tap into, though he's been wild most years swinging. He has not hit that badly either, particularly for a catcher, and especially in EL this season. Being a lefty helps as well, in terms of being a bat on the bench. He showed a little speed lower in the minors, stealing and triples, in SJ, maybe he can be a little bit of everything: good enough bat, some speed, some power, some patience, some defense, off the bench. He could be like Stewart, though, and not stick in the majors until his 30's.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-75701730481580612942012-11-21T10:36:27.229-08:002012-11-21T10:36:27.229-08:00Also, Kieschnick did very well in AAA until his in...Also, Kieschnick did very well in AAA until his injury, so that along with his winter work bodes well for him getting a chance to be one of our utility OF and probable spot starter in LF should Blanco stalls offensively at some point (which appears likely, but we'll see, maybe he'll make the leap).<br /><br />Anybody know if Blanco is playing winter league this year in V? Hard to top being MVP last season, but he probably could use more reps. <br /><br />Just realized a bit of an anomaly. At the end of the season, Blanco was hardly starting at all, as Nady was getting most of the starts, and while Gregor got some, Belt got just about as many there too. Yet, during the playoffs, it was all Blanco.<br /><br />Now parts of that I understand. We faced mostly RHP during the playoffs, plus, as we saw from his stellar defense, it appears that Bochy wanted the best defensive unit out there. But that appears to be a clear change in handling by Bochy.<br /><br />Thus, that dichotomy suggests that the meme that Bochy lucked out with Ross since Guillen was suspended is false, as Ross was clearly the hotter hitter than Guillen by the end of the season, and clearly better defensively, and thus he would have most likely started in 2010's playoffs even if Guillen had not been suspended. Just a thought.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-3728812344701930482012-11-21T09:40:57.500-08:002012-11-21T09:40:57.500-08:00Thanks!Thanks!BuyLowSellLowernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-37729100021941504232012-11-21T08:44:52.826-08:002012-11-21T08:44:52.826-08:00Yep, Escobar is now protected from the Rule 5 - he...Yep, Escobar is now protected from the Rule 5 - he has 5 years of pro ball under his belt. It's 5 years under 18 at time of signing, 4 years over 18 at time of signing. He came over from Texas. He is only a year older than Mejia and put up very nice numbers and innings at Augusta. I'm liking him a tad more than Mejia at this point.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-39883932612041769752012-11-21T08:41:53.379-08:002012-11-21T08:41:53.379-08:00Is Escobar Rule 5 vulnerable? How many years has ...Is Escobar Rule 5 vulnerable? How many years has he been with the organization?<br /><br />Can someone explain?BuyLowSellLowernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-79765063850721688072012-11-21T08:19:34.137-08:002012-11-21T08:19:34.137-08:00Yup. I can also see some team taking a chance on ...Yup. I can also see some team taking a chance on Brock Bond. Thoughts? Although the rule 5 is really dropping out of favor. The Yanks are very active though and they appear to love our fringe guys.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-27930863041728428152012-11-21T07:36:49.826-08:002012-11-21T07:36:49.826-08:00Yeah, I could see some team that is starved for pi...Yeah, I could see some team that is starved for pitching out there taking a Rule 5 flyer on Chris Gloor. Is he eligible?DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-52663198688977512802012-11-21T07:19:54.425-08:002012-11-21T07:19:54.425-08:00Yeah OGC! Noonan is finding his way back in the m...Yeah OGC! Noonan is finding his way back in the mix. Love it.<br /><br />I was surprised at Juan Perez but he did put up nice stats in the Eastern.<br /><br />I can see Gloor getting poached like Joe Paterson the other year. And as somebody who was a tad angry about the Gints not protecting him, I have to add that the D-backs sent him down early and left him there last year. Sometimes we get fired up about silly stuff. Even though Sabean said something about they should have protected him, its also a low on the totem pole priority. Just noting this one, because its not looking like the great loss some thought it would be.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.com