tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post7021697007811266195..comments2024-03-28T18:36:42.757-07:00Comments on When the Giants Come to Town...: Hot Stove Update: Giants Remain Quiet As Options DwindleDrBGiantsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05574563470247927739noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-44261817529253919162014-12-17T19:43:07.954-08:002014-12-17T19:43:07.954-08:00I think that PiLamBear gets my award for post of t...I think that PiLamBear gets my award for post of the day. I wanted Lester bad as I think we need another strong lefty in the rotation. Once he was gone I just wanted to take my toys and go home. I think Arias can hit enough to play 3rd and not totally kill us and like Doc, I am fine with Blanco being the starter in LF. Just sign Vogie for one more year and let's see what happens. I really do like Chisenhall quite a bit but he faded pretty bad towards the end of the season after tearing it up for pretty much the whole first half of the season. Big game James sure didn't look like he was worth 20 million a year in the WS and that arm is going to fall off sooner rather than later. The way I see it, Sabean put a dollar figure on each player and was not willing to go over his evaluation. It is disappointing some of these guys are getting so much money but that just means we better hit on our draft picks more now than ever before. I feel pretty good in thinking our minor league players will have a ton more value at this time next year than they do now. I can handle only winning the WS every other year.RBJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-240912235888654092014-12-17T14:56:34.132-08:002014-12-17T14:56:34.132-08:00The amount of quality pitching is way up. Since 2...The amount of quality pitching is way up. Since 2008 the amount of pitchers with a sub 3.50 ERA with at least 120IP has gone from 47 to 107 (numbers are close pulling on memory). BA in MLB averaged out to .251. Any money spent should be on hitting and then pick up cheap guys off the heap for pitching. Where the hitting will come from I am not sure at this point-I am ok with it coming from overseas and/or getting prospects.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08245129165124772844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-61894611377026103972014-12-17T12:31:51.830-08:002014-12-17T12:31:51.830-08:00You wanted a big FA signing, you got it, Romo 2 ye...You wanted a big FA signing, you got it, Romo 2 years, $15 million. I guess it is not too bad considering the Bums are paying Brian Wilson $9.5 million to pitch for anyone but them! Personally I can see this coming back to bite them but what are you going to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-61284935704519481282014-12-16T22:44:57.496-08:002014-12-16T22:44:57.496-08:00I totally understand you with the question marks. ...I totally understand you with the question marks. So many people want to get Shields but if Hudson and Lincecum implode what is the point. Then you spent all that money on a guy whose best days are behind him and at best be a #3. Cain is the wild card. If he just comes back and keeps us in games I will be excited. I am not expecting the Cain of 2012. Hamels and Scherzer are a different story. They could really bring value to the rotation. Maybe if we take over Hamels contract completely then the haul of prospects is not as bad as everyone thinks. <br /><br />I say don't break the bank and sign Edinson Volquez to a 2 year deal. Trade for Lonnie Chisenhall to play 3B. Then we will be completely flexible to retool a few positions in 2016. Also, we will be very able to make some mid season trades and waiver claims. Teams that fall out of competition will want to cut payroll. We will be ready for that. We just need to stay competitive. Stay within 6-7 games of first place.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15112223964736652123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-5717203193529483042014-12-16T21:44:43.812-08:002014-12-16T21:44:43.812-08:00I don't see a big trade for a pitcher happenin...I don't see a big trade for a pitcher happening now. You all want a pitcher because the rotation is so full of question marks. But it is hard to justify that big contract when the rotation is so full of question marks. It's Overworked Bum, Recovery Cain, The New Old New Lincecum, Aged Hudson, and reliever record holder Petit. if 4 of those 5 put up 4+ ERA and 3 of those are 5+ or put back in the pen, one Shields or Hamels won't make this a 90 win team. So better to shotgun it, and hope some dumpster dives provide competition and replacement for horses that go lame. If Linceum can't pull, and Petit is only good facing a lineup twice, and Cain goes back on the DL for some more recovery, better to have two or three guys that can step in rather than another ace "stopper" to partner with MadBum.<br /><br />On the other hand Lester "just cost money" and could be good for the majority of his contract and payoff even with a dead year or two at the end. So go for him. But with question marks on Shield, plus money, plus years, plus draft pick, they may well not think he is worth it until the price/years go way down. But that will only happen over time as his market doesn't develop the way he wants. Boras wants the moon for Sherzer. And the Phillies (justifiably) want the stars for Hamels. So no comparison with the Lester situation. ... And the Giants slowly back away.kennvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17546434201339463323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-76202743176436133502014-12-16T20:49:52.286-08:002014-12-16T20:49:52.286-08:00Prospect or not, Susac is our back up catcher and ...Prospect or not, Susac is our back up catcher and if you can trade a back up catcher as part of a deal to get a guy like Cole Hammels, then that's not a bad deal. There is also a better than 50/50 chance that Crick ends up as a reliever and Mella is still aways away and if you keep your pick you could probably find some similar in this draft. This would be a good deal if they went with it. Hamels is a good pitcher.<br /><br />Billy BaseballAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-32615730987861727992014-12-16T20:42:41.264-08:002014-12-16T20:42:41.264-08:00My problem is I don't think they are going to ...My problem is I don't think they are going to get Shields for less than 5 years. If they can, I might be less averse to the idea of losing the draft pick<br /><br />Yes, Shields has been a horse, but so had Matt Cain. He has a ton of mileage on that arm.<br /><br />I'm not really wild about trading for Hamels either, but I think he is a better pitcher than Shields by quite a bit.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-52954890132957603312014-12-16T20:35:36.598-08:002014-12-16T20:35:36.598-08:00It's admittedly a close call with Shields. I ...It's admittedly a close call with Shields. I guess the problem I am having is I think it's going to take 5 years to sign Shields, at 33 he is entering a time in his career where a lot of pitchers really start to lose it. He has a ton of mileage on that arm with something like 6 or 7 consecutive seasons with over 200 IP. Not that projections are everything, but his Steamer projection for next year is an ERA of 3.60. That's not bad, but it's not what you would expect out of a Lester or Scherzer or Hamels. The question then becomes how much is that going to really help a team which also clearly has issues in the bullpen, 3B and LF? Then you get into what the last 3 years of that contract are likely to look like.<br /><br />As for the other side of the coin, the draft pick. I would just point to Matt Cain and Joe Panik as guys who were picked in the bottom third of the first round.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-60033469621728305032014-12-16T20:26:00.658-08:002014-12-16T20:26:00.658-08:00I was wrote a response that said the same thing do...I was wrote a response that said the same thing down belowClint in Anaheimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-21936222417018767782014-12-16T20:19:27.461-08:002014-12-16T20:19:27.461-08:00Honestly, I think I would prefer James Shields (33...Honestly, I think I would prefer James Shields (33 years old) on a 4 year deal (ideally 3 years with a vesting IP option) as compared to trading prospects for Cole Hamels(31 years old). I understand that our first round pick would be surrendered with the Shields signing, but I prefer that over losing all our top prospects like Crick, Susac and Mella that Philly is asking for.<br /><br />Shields has proven to be pretty consistent and would be a great guy as long as he is not expected to be the ace of the staff. I would offer 3 years 65M with a 18-20M vesting option or 4 years 80M for Shields. Getting the Pablo compensation makes this an easier decision that we have at least 1 pick in the 30s.<br /><br />Present: Bumgarner, Cain, Shields, Hudson and Lincecum would be a fantastic SP staff with Petit in long relief. Shields has been a horse and would provide innings that will save the bullpen for Timmy. Looking forward: With both Tims coming off the books for 2016 having 3 solid innings eaters in Bum, Cain and James would be ideal for bringing along a prospect or 2 for the 2016 season.Clint in Anaheimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-42131254717469399332014-12-16T20:12:21.231-08:002014-12-16T20:12:21.231-08:00Roger,
As someone who is very invested in prospec...Roger,<br /><br />As someone who is very invested in prospects/draft picks, etc., I have to ask: Is the value of a late teens draft pick really worth way more than a 4 year deal for a guy who's been a workhorse almost his whole career? Especially when the Giants have a supplemental pick in the same draft? I love prospects as much (and probably a lot more) than the next fan, but I'd rather have a guy who gives us an automatic upgrade in the rotation RIGHT NOW over the #19 pick. The odds of snagging a superstar there... they aren't high. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-3885578887915851752014-12-16T18:31:40.735-08:002014-12-16T18:31:40.735-08:00I agree with all 5, but being a longtime Mariners ...I agree with all 5, but being a longtime Mariners fan as well - most strongly with #2 above. There is plenty of HiCal (and LoCal) talent that the Camps by the Bay could court. Fister in 2016 for Ring #4!!!<br /><br />NWGiantsFan<br />DtF!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-18892672179705985462014-12-16T18:26:53.136-08:002014-12-16T18:26:53.136-08:00Sounds like Upton may be going to the Mariners aft...Sounds like Upton may be going to the Mariners after all (or maybe Ian Desmond of the Expos/Nats). I'd be open to the Upton/Johnson deal for AT&T.<br /><br />I like Hamels trade possibility (if not too crazy: Panic, Susac, Duffy, Beede, Crick silliness I have seen put out recently). No on Shields for all the reasons mentioned. And I think we have a strong shot at Doug Fister next year...bring the Merced boy home!!!<br /><br />Great discussion gents.<br /><br />NWGiantsFan<br />DtF!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-18143211587830410662014-12-16T16:58:00.543-08:002014-12-16T16:58:00.543-08:00Speaking of the scrapheap, I see former farmhand S...Speaking of the scrapheap, I see former farmhand Scott Barnes has been dfa'd again, this time by the Rangers. He's 27 and had a 10.2/4.2 SO/W ratio in AAA last year, 3.69 ERA, and lefties hit .191/.296/.255 against him. Hard to believe something couldn't be salvaged there. Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-24889650581402113812014-12-16T16:57:35.968-08:002014-12-16T16:57:35.968-08:00Patience. Patience. Patience. Sometimes the best m...Patience. Patience. Patience. Sometimes the best move is no move. Consider this: Every team in the NL West has a new GM. So they've got to make some moves. Time will tell if they were good or bad moves. The Padres, Rockies, D-Backs and the Dodgers are all chasing the Giants. We will miss Sandoval and Morse. The Giants will find a way to fill there spots.And to be honest, I don't think the Giants are missing out on any of the FA signings so far. After 19 years as GM, Brian Sabean has shown he knows what he is doing. It's good to be World Series Champions! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-51732182951001326922014-12-16T16:29:54.676-08:002014-12-16T16:29:54.676-08:00The following observations appear evident to me:
...The following observations appear evident to me:<br /><br />1) The Giants FO has a MO of building through the draft and making smaller trades rather than big splash free agent signings. This seems to be suggestive in the post-Zito era. <br />2) The Giants appear to have more challenges attracting FA hitters to play long-term at AT&T. <br />3) The Giants do not appear interested in gambling via opening the checkbook for overpriced / long signings.<br />4) The Giants appear to be a team that will fit the mold of "torture" baseball with "misfits and cockroaches" that band together with pitching/defense first.<br />5) We all want a Christmas gift, but let's be honest-- 3 in 5 is already a great tradition.DocGroonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-65967008330925809162014-12-16T16:19:32.094-08:002014-12-16T16:19:32.094-08:00I agree with PiLamBear's thinking in the post ...I agree with PiLamBear's thinking in the post above. Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I wonder how hard the Giants really went after Lester and Panda. We know what the numbers were, but we were not there behind the scenes to know the actual conversations and dealings. I'm not sure they were even all that disappointed that they lost out. And then Sabean pretty much closes the door on Headley. They were mildly linked to other FA's but no real action. I think they lay low this year, maybe make a few small additions, perhaps a minor trade or two in-season, and gauge how their prospects are developing. Then next off season, when the market is much more appealing and they have more funds than they know what to do with they will dive into the FA market in earnest. I don't think they are being complacent or resting on their laurels, but I think they just don't want to commit to players who they really don't feel are good long term investments. Plus they probably feel they don't have a long-suffering fan base begging them to go all out (unlike other more desperate franchises), and who are likely to abandon the team if they don't appear to be "trying to win" since they have already shown a pattern of on again off again seasons.baseballjunkienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-87074700624062143022014-12-16T15:42:18.725-08:002014-12-16T15:42:18.725-08:00That is true. And it's Sabean's job to not...That is true. And it's Sabean's job to not let them beat or catch up to us. I honestly don't think losing Morse and Panda (maybe Romo too) and signing question marks likeViciedo, Vogey, Correa or Kendrcik help us out in that task. But we shall son see what Sabean has in mind...I hope<br /><br />SteveVAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-5243356114129398342014-12-16T14:35:41.039-08:002014-12-16T14:35:41.039-08:00Chris Haft from MLB.com believes Lonnie Chisenhall...Chris Haft from MLB.com believes Lonnie Chisenhall, Casey McGehee or Will Middlebrooks are the most available for a potential trade for 3B. Asdrubal Cabrera apparently does not want to play the hot corner. Supposedly he would play 2B if Panik could handle 3B. Seems not likely. Out of those people I tend to lean towards Chisenhall.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15112223964736652123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-8496382234092808552014-12-16T14:02:46.892-08:002014-12-16T14:02:46.892-08:00Very true Doc..That's why Any minute I expect ...Very true Doc..That's why Any minute I expect to read about a trade with Philly for Hamels and Utley...Just kidding...<br /><br />SteveVAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-6730758596585560972014-12-16T13:59:23.252-08:002014-12-16T13:59:23.252-08:00Historically, Sabes has done his best work under t...Historically, Sabes has done his best work under the radar.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-36415162296642104522014-12-16T13:53:50.362-08:002014-12-16T13:53:50.362-08:00We have 3 of the top 50 picks.Keep those picks.Fro...We have 3 of the top 50 picks.Keep those picks.Front office doing a good job.Those guys just want to beat us.That's competition.Sign Correa or Kendrick's.Resign Vogey.Vogey and Petit are nice weapons out of the pen.Maybe Cabrera will change his mind about 3B.If not maybe trade low level prospect for Viciedo.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05575531277486104215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-72652052378337908922014-12-16T13:25:45.823-08:002014-12-16T13:25:45.823-08:00Andy Baggarly quit CSN to write his latest book, H...Andy Baggarly quit CSN to write his latest book, Hank Schulman appeared to be off last week but he has been tweeting today and John Shea tweets here and they about the Giants. Yes, no real concrete speculations from any of them.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15112223964736652123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-46668976978838588672014-12-16T13:03:45.433-08:002014-12-16T13:03:45.433-08:00The end of their (Ned induced) obsession with form...The end of their (Ned induced) obsession with former Giants?<br /><br />Vanadive is still obsessed with the Warriors though, it seems. Perhaps Sacrament is to San Francisco, for him, is what San Jose is to the City, for the A's.BuyLowSellLowernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-19574354537215181222014-12-16T12:56:03.484-08:002014-12-16T12:56:03.484-08:00You know, the one thing that surprises me is the t...You know, the one thing that surprises me is the total lack of rumors, tweets, specualtions from the bevy of Giant beat reporters. We all know (OK, hope) Sabean and the FO are still working hard on the Off season, but there hasn't been a peep since last Thursday,..,,Maybe they long ago gave up in trying to get info from the tight lipped Giants org and/or are afraid to speak out of turn? Just specualting..:)<br /><br />SteveVAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com