tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post6546118736067665774..comments2024-03-29T07:08:13.837-07:00Comments on When the Giants Come to Town...: Game Wrap 4/10/2016: Giants 9 Dodgers 6DrBGiantsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05574563470247927739noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-84264388481398942322016-04-12T19:12:24.472-07:002016-04-12T19:12:24.472-07:00It is a given that each batting position from 1 to...It is a given that each batting position from 1 to 9 will have fewer AB's overall in 162 games as the order number is increased. That's just a fact. A higher (absolute) number in the order can't have more at bats than a lower number.<br />If you win it doesn't matter. <br />If you are blown out by mid game, it doesn't matter, mostly.<br />If you're behind (or tied), #9 (and #8 sometimes) gets a pinch hitter, so you don't have a likely .150 out in that slot. <br />IMO, it's best to have your better hitters bat the most, so, IF it's good to have 2 leadoff batters in a row, it's just as important in the first as any other inning.<br />If there is a difference, it probably doesn't account for more than a couple games a year, but 2 could be important.<br />So which is it?<br />2 leadoffs later in the game or your best hitters getting the most AB's?<br />I'd opt for the pitcher hitting 9th.<br />AND if you put 2 leadoff guys up in the first, you have a greater likelihood that Posey will have a fast runner on base than if a DP guy bats 3rd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-76226956913943660522016-04-11T20:06:56.829-07:002016-04-11T20:06:56.829-07:00Rainball,
But it would be a beast with Pagan hitt...Rainball,<br /><br />But it would be a beast with Pagan hitting leadoff too.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-1882850477984627972016-04-11T20:05:55.533-07:002016-04-11T20:05:55.533-07:00Roger: I can do the math if you want to see it, b...Roger: I can do the math if you want to see it, but I can prove that the cleanup hitter is more likely to bat with at least 1 runner on base in the first inning than the #3 hitter.<br /><br />Kennv- I don't know. Unless there is some reason why you don't want Pagan hitting in the first inning, you accomplish the exact same thing with him in the 1 hole with the pitcher hitting 9'th as with him in the 9-hole and the pitcher hitting 8'th.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-35394541008350882032016-04-11T11:54:38.474-07:002016-04-11T11:54:38.474-07:00One reason to put a batter and not a pitcher 9th, ...One reason to put a batter and not a pitcher 9th, is then you get the worst offense (the pitcher) farther away from your best offense (2-4). A lot of weirdness has to happen for Posey to be at-bat with the pitcher aboard or on-base with the pitcher up.<br /><br />So the psychological impact is higher stress innings. The opposing team is more likely to face Span, Panik and Posey without the "free-out" of the pitcher ninth. For those inning in which Pagan leads off from the 9th spot, the odds that you face Panik or Posey with a shot at a "productive out" or RISP are significantly higher, than if you start the inning versus a pitcher with .088AVG and .100 OBP.kennvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17546434201339463323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-22889016682481710512016-04-11T08:43:20.207-07:002016-04-11T08:43:20.207-07:00I think there's a mentally powerful effect wit...I think there's a mentally powerful effect with Pagan hitting 9th. He's playing the roll of a leadoff hitter, he's basically playing with a WHOLE LOT to prove, he's not an "occasional-RBI" 8th spot hitter, and he's in a lower pressure roll where any misfires are easily forgotten. <br /><br />I hear what you're saying Doc, but the math tells the Giants that they want Posey hitting third and Panik hitting 2nd. If anything Span should simply be bumped down the lineup based on present stats and peripherals. However, since that's definitely not going to happen unless the sub-Mendoza stays constant for another month, I think we'll continue to see Pagan in the 9-spot, and I for one am VERY much in favor. This Lineup is a beast. <br /><br />(PS - Lastly, after thinking about it, the "two leadoff hitters" mantra was really just a way to justify placing Pagan at the very end of the batting order, considering last years struggles. That mantra isn't important enough to actually move him into the leadoff position.)RainBallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725941337502884436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-85413184430700876872016-04-11T08:05:51.891-07:002016-04-11T08:05:51.891-07:00Thanks, Dr. B for the write-ups.
I thought the pu...Thanks, Dr. B for the write-ups.<br /><br />I thought the purpose of having Pagan bat ninth was to shift the order such that Posey is guaranteed a first inning at bat. <br /><br />I also have wondered (purely without knowing of any empirical evidence one way or the other) if having the pitcher bat eighth and moving from what is, effectively, a one lead-off hitter lineup in the first inning to a two lead-off hitter lineup in subsequent innings might have a psychological impact on the opposing battery. Common sense would say it does not as these are professionals, but still I wonder. Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13830024012098066188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-2760083803400771742016-04-11T06:25:13.474-07:002016-04-11T06:25:13.474-07:00There were some things that got exposed here and t...There were some things that got exposed here and two of them were the Dodgers rotation after Kershaw and their non-closer bullpen pitchers.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-80145175568389203782016-04-11T06:23:29.249-07:002016-04-11T06:23:29.249-07:00No, you don't bump Panik. You just move every...No, you don't bump Panik. You just move everybody else down 1 notch in the lineup. Think of the lineup as a circle rather than a line segment. It's the exact same lineup after the first inning except now you get the benefit of Pagan hitting in front of Span one extra inning.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-84301638047564600022016-04-11T06:11:47.293-07:002016-04-11T06:11:47.293-07:00If you're not resting any players, and you wan...If you're not resting any players, and you want to lead-off with Pagan in front of Span do you bump Panik? I wouldn't. <br /><br />Diamondbacks -- Not running away with the Division. <br /><br />Greinke -- Greinke has a 9.90 ERA and a 48 ERA+ and there is not a lot of 'bad luck' in that, as all his peripherals are off-the-chart bad. If he continues this way, I'm going to be thinking -- dodged a major bulle. And in Trivia that May Only Interest Me: After his first Cy Young, his follow-up season ERA+ was 100 -- dead average. It's like all the good luck, focus, or whatever that produced those incredible seasons was stolen from the following year...MosesZDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12702323080585738748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-41243097428613500282016-04-11T04:44:05.033-07:002016-04-11T04:44:05.033-07:00Not impressed with the Dodgers starting rotation o...Not impressed with the Dodgers starting rotation or this depth that everybody keeps raving about. Please leave Scott Kazmir in the rotation. Please keep Joe Blanton in the pen. The Giants will take the West down. But for one bad inning from Casilla and a bobbled double play ball its a sweep. Nice start to the season.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.com