tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post62453022348980372..comments2024-03-29T08:05:34.109-07:00Comments on When the Giants Come to Town...: State of the Giants 2016-2017: Departing Free AgentsDrBGiantsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05574563470247927739noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-45720934325873135602016-10-18T17:01:34.240-07:002016-10-18T17:01:34.240-07:00There's a good article that I reread a little ...There's a good article that I reread a little closer and gave me the needed insight - it's up on McCovey Chron if anybody pleases. Unfortunately, it looks like less than we'd like, when you do the simple accounting - However, all of that changes if the new CBA significantly raises the cap space, which is pretty likely.<br /><br />Here's the math: Though the cap is $189mil, remember that there's an initial big hit for player's medical+benefits that's counted against the cap but isn't seen in the total contract dollar amount. Hence, the actual cap max is around $179. When you take the $142 you mentioned, it's not accounting for the AAV, versus the pure dollar amount in 2017, and probably isn't accounting for the remaining role players on the roster (bench + bullpen who are as-yet unsigned/arbitrated).<br /><br />When the author of the above article put it together on a spreadsheet only including the VERY probable members of the 2017 roster (Tomlinson, Gillaspie, full bullpen sans closer & no FA re-signings) the principal comes out to $163mil. <br /><br />So.... Yeah, dang! Hope the cap goes up because that's only JUST enough to grab a closer and little else. <br /><br />That's why I'm a big advocate for trading high cost contracts and leveraging them to get some big pieces. It's the only way to add talent, and one of Belt/Pence/Samardzia might have to go... Not that I'd like to see ANY of those three go!!!RainBallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725941337502884436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-15707133934075704662016-10-18T12:53:08.497-07:002016-10-18T12:53:08.497-07:00The moneys are so dang complex to figure out right...The moneys are so dang complex to figure out right now. Those are the numbers I get, too, Moses - But McC, here, and other places, I get the sense that the true available salary is closer to $15-20mil. I wish someone would lay it out in a simple & definitive manner!<br /><br />That said, I haven't read the Doc's newest post, so.... Perhaps wish granted??!RainBallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725941337502884436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-28128183282296425342016-10-17T21:11:32.462-07:002016-10-17T21:11:32.462-07:00I think Pagan punched his ticket out of town when ...I think Pagan punched his ticket out of town when he didn't answer the bell in Games 3 and 4 of the NLDS.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-60410984248261956472016-10-17T18:28:34.131-07:002016-10-17T18:28:34.131-07:00The Luxury Tax Cap is $189 million. The active pay...The Luxury Tax Cap is $189 million. The active payroll (SportTrac) will be $142.6 million. That's $46 million. Currently Jorge De La Rosa is MLB's top-paid reliever at $12.5 million/year. (Well, not including Peavy & Cain who made $22 & $15 million but are relievers playing on starter contracts.)<br /><br />And maybe I'm wrong, but I shouldn't expect a top-reliever, like Chapman to get more than $15 million/year ($75M/5) and Jansen to get more than $14 million/year $70M/5). But even if it was $20 million a year, there's still $26 million left if they want to pursue others. <br /><br />And while he's not considered a Top-10 potential contract, like Jansen and Chapman, at MLB Trade Rumors, there's Mark Melancon. He pulled 47 saves in 51 opportunities this year for the Pirates then Nationals and is a 3X All-Star. So he's not chopped liver and, at 31, might be a bit more sign-able. MosesZDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12702323080585738748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-31969903051296371242016-10-17T17:02:59.343-07:002016-10-17T17:02:59.343-07:00Yeah, I think said yesterday or the day before tha...Yeah, I think said yesterday or the day before that Romo coming back might be on the radar. And Pagan might, too, though I have strong doubts to that...MosesZDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12702323080585738748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-20531648447926730712016-10-17T12:07:14.088-07:002016-10-17T12:07:14.088-07:00Mostly, I agree with your assessment, but I would ...Mostly, I agree with your assessment, but I would not be at all surprised to see Romo come back. He's fit in well with Bochy and the team, and was effective when healthy (although not as a 'closer'), and seems happy enough to accept a lower salary (he can still do commercials to boost his income).<br />Nathan, Beckham, and really any of the rest might show back up on a minor league deal, and it wouldn't be surprising. The Giants have a history of doing that with multiple players who might help down the road.pygalgiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14423302866723206260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-91746332565392681442016-10-17T10:17:00.843-07:002016-10-17T10:17:00.843-07:00"...as the Giants have younger and cheaper in..."...as the Giants have younger and cheaper in-house replacements for each of these free agents."<br /><br />Yes, but with how the offense went into a total tailspin over the 2nd half - clearly effecting their mental approach - I don't think the team can afford to go into next season and just say, "well, I hope this goes better next year, even though it's exactly the same cast."<br /><br />They need a shake-up. And if that's not in Free Agency, then the FO is going to need to get creative. Maybe that means you go wild and trade Hunter Pence and Joe Panik for Ian Kinsler, or something. But you can't run the same group of hitters out there again and risk them all tumbling into another tailspin that effects their collective abilities to PULL THEIR HEAD OUT!<br /><br />If they had the resources, I'd be a huge advocate of making a major play for Yonis Cespedes - cocky player, incredible bat, confidence for days. Would really change the clubhouse chemistry, and I think these guys need that! <br /><br />However, the first priority on this team is a closer, and I don't think that they have the resources to spend on both positions and make massive upgrades. If they did, however, I'd be first in line to advocate. <br /><br />Williamson and Slater have tremendous potential that I can get behind, but not the kind that you count on to change the offensive dynamic in a single season, for a team that will again be competing for the championship.RainBallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00725941337502884436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-70087877136923295862016-10-17T10:02:57.854-07:002016-10-17T10:02:57.854-07:00I would be surprised if the Giants resigned any of...I would be surprised if the Giants resigned any of them. Still getting a little sentimental about them. Even though 2010 was the first championship after years and years of disappointments, with the rookie phenoms Posey and MadBum and Timmy was still dominate. 2012 will probably always be my favorite team. Dodgers make one of the biggest deals in baseball history? Sit down meat! Giants get Scutaro, Pence and have the most dramatic against the ropes World Series title run ever. Pagan, Blanco and the last of the "Core Four" were big parts of that. Pagan and Blanco each hitting HRs in the first and second innings respectively in the last game of the 2012 NLDS. Blanco's amazing catch in Cain's perfect game. Romo, Lopez and Casilla. The last of the " Core Four". The iconic bullpen group ( At least in the bay area.) that closed the door on the opposition for three world series titles. This is a huge page the Giants are turning in their book. Even Peavy to a lesser extent, who if not for his pitching during the final stretch in 2014, the Giants probably would have not made the post season. No more Romo Bombs in the bullpen. No more of Pagan's salutes after a hit. All these players may not be what they were, but I am going to miss them. Eriknoreply@blogger.com