tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post2289811099659617716..comments2024-03-28T09:55:54.830-07:00Comments on When the Giants Come to Town...: Hot Stove Update: Giants Sign Tim HudsonDrBGiantsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05574563470247927739noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-84258830137415185392013-11-21T13:51:37.949-08:002013-11-21T13:51:37.949-08:00True that. Sabean talks, you best listen!True that. Sabean talks, you best listen!Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-9599013834857694052013-11-21T08:38:54.051-08:002013-11-21T08:38:54.051-08:00Fair enough Kennv. For the record I'm not adv...Fair enough Kennv. For the record I'm not advocating some handsome rob 210 and ripped Panda, but when you hurt your team defensively, can't run the bases, I will get fed up. I'll tolerate hijinx, but I won't tolerate bad fundamentals. And that's what he was showing last year, and he was a big reason for the complete fall on our face. Pitching was obviously the biggest issue, but I do have some sources and they say the whole Giants locker room is fed up. So it goes. The people who think he's being discriminated against because of fat bias are a bit crazy if you ask me, you have to have standards for fielding and baserunning. The hitting... You can't change him, but the power potential is flashed not filled in. <br /><br />But mainly I started to be done with him when he said he would be in shape in time for free agency. And then the defense. I'll tolerate some dead ball era offense, but not sloppy d. I'm burning myself out on Panda rants though, and I doubt they'll get any good offers for him, so it'll be time to root for our favorite switch hitting hacker come spring. Thanks for the feedback.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-14601733311466930832013-11-21T07:15:49.459-08:002013-11-21T07:15:49.459-08:00Shank, your Panda bias is showing. Not saying your...Shank, your Panda bias is showing. Not saying your predictions are wrong, but the vitriol makes your Panda sermons hard to swallow. You're clearly fed up with him, and project tons of stuff into his psyche. Let Sandoval have his VZ. Past Fat camps may have slimmed the Panda short term, but they've hardly worked long term have they? As Antillunda points out he seemed to slim on his own work and on his own plan during he season. But you want another round with American professionals, trying to slim Sandoval down and failing to change his lifestyle (and dare I say it psyche). The Giants organization has been "babying" him - setting up special day camps, but then "letting" Pablo be Panda. I'm sure he gets some mixed messages from the Giants - slim down, but don't change. Lose weight, not power. Don't hack, hack. Be a professional, be the the Kung Fu Panda.kennvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17546434201339463323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-48466935367948720372013-11-20T20:47:23.335-08:002013-11-20T20:47:23.335-08:00Sabes said they have moved on from Tanaka. When h...Sabes said they have moved on from Tanaka. When he says something like that, you can almost always take it to the bank. He means it!DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-73841171095006338202013-11-20T20:33:52.587-08:002013-11-20T20:33:52.587-08:00We can hope they lie in the weeds and make an effo...We can hope they lie in the weeds and make an effort. Getting Tanaka on our hip and not on the Dodgers is the single most important move we could make in the offseason. Which so far is going great guns.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-58701753911457934382013-11-20T20:32:12.278-08:002013-11-20T20:32:12.278-08:00How did that message get through? He said he'...How did that message get through? He said he'd be in shape in 2 years, and he's trying his best (avoiding professional instruction that has a track record of success with him personally in AZ btw). He isn't even close to being a man, he's a man-child, and a very immature one at that. Now he has some amazing baseball skills, and some amazing quick-twitch talent. But talent will fade if you don't apply yourself. And he has shown that side way more than any type of professionalism. <br /><br />Pablo is not in the Giants long term plans. They'll trade him if they get a good offer (they'll get low-balled most likely), they will QO him if he has a good season, and they'll offer him a 3 year deal with incentives, which he won't take. The only way to wake him up, and make him behave like MEN do, is to trade him now. That would be a slap in the face wakeup call. This dash off to VZ is a bunch of silliness. Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-20692934930854752522013-11-20T15:11:37.336-08:002013-11-20T15:11:37.336-08:00So many dreamers on here about Tanaka, we've b...So many dreamers on here about Tanaka, we've basically got our starters down and you think they'd agree to just the posting fee alone?? Sabes has already said its not going to happen and I agree. Yanks and others need him way more than we do and now the whole posting system is at jeopardy with smaller market teams pissed they have no chance at guys like this. <br /><br />As for Panda, I think many of you are missing the point with him. Look at who has gotten big contracts with us so far, Posey & Pence are the most recent and they proved beyond a doubt, that 1st they are MEN, who don't need to be babysat and can deliver a healthy body to withstand the rigors of 162 games. That message has gotten through to Panda, he even said he wants to prove to Giants that they don't need to worry anymore about babysitting him in AZ. <br /><br />His bro as chef already showed great promise when most of us wrote him off towards end of season and slowly we started to see that he was moving better and his uni was getting just a bit baggier as he started to shed some lbs. Being in Venezuela is good for his psyche and he's proving to himself that this is what MEN do in the offseason, besides downing plates of arepas.anthillunda2ndnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-5502342370976831222013-11-20T14:54:24.672-08:002013-11-20T14:54:24.672-08:00Now that Timmys are signed, I think the Giants sho...Now that Timmys are signed, I think the Giants should feel pretty good about their pitching staff - 1-4 locked down and free to wait out the market for deals or enter the trash-heap versus internal options roulette, with an eye towards a mid-season acquisition if someone stinks it up. But I think that also frees them to put in a bid on Tanaka at what they want to spend and what they value him at, and ignore the Yankees or Dodgers. I was surprised when Texas won Darvish on only a 52 mil bid.kennvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17546434201339463323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-45137965451101521872013-11-20T09:12:32.536-08:002013-11-20T09:12:32.536-08:00My take is that the Giants are not afraid of spend...My take is that the Giants are not afraid of spending the money, but rather the problem is the blind auction where the Yankees and Dodgers might throw out a crazy bid and win the deal and the fact that we, right now, don't know when or if another posting agreement will be arrived at, and you know Sabean, he don't wait for nobody. Sabean wants to sign someone before the winter meeting at the start of December, and Tanaka's situation probably won't be settled until probably X-mas, if not past New Years. <br /><br />However, they also like to do things stealthily. So it would not surprise me if they sign someone who is not automatically considered the #5 starter, someone who would need to earn the job in spring, like Vogelsong, which would leave the door open for them to pursue Tanaka, as he would also be competing for a job as well, no matter how much he signs for. I think the Giants remember the Japanese media impact of Shinjo, seen it with Godzilla with Yankees, Ichiro with Mariners, SF has a Japantown, they have a lot of ethnic days at AT&T, so they understand that cultural factor in marketing. And most acknowledge that Baer is a huge marketing person, for example, check out all the corporate naming rights at the ballpark. So I would keep this in mind should the Giants sign someone who they say will be competing with our internal options (Petit, Kickham, Surkamp, Escobar), they could still try to swoop in. <br /><br />Still, it is going to be hard, they had a chance with the top three bidder scenario, and hence their interest when that was being discussed, but now that they probably will have to outbid both NYY and LAD, that fee bid will probably have to shock and awe to win, crazy numbers. Hopefully they at least submit what they think is fair and see how it goes, you never know when fear of a situation might lead everyone else to not bother or to bid low with a "just in case you win" bid, and you sneak in as the winner. Kind of like how some of the pretty models talk about their non-existent love life, because guys are just too afraid to make the approach.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-27910125707089691212013-11-20T08:09:02.189-08:002013-11-20T08:09:02.189-08:00This is just his same old trolling shtick: Sabean...This is just his same old trolling shtick: Sabean stinks. I can't think of anybody who wasn't right about Zito except for Magowan. Everyone knew that deal sucked from day one, that it would be very hard for Zito to deliver on the contract.<br /><br />Hudson sounds loaded for bear, lock and loaded, I look forward to him wearing the orange and black and proving doubters wrong. <br /><br />I don't think Panda is done. I'm not happy he's in VZ, but I understand too, his little girl is down there and he don't see as much of her anymore because of the divorce. Staying up here would mean he would not have seen her much at all this year. <br /><br />He knows what is at stake. We all saw what he did for the 2011 season. I don't expect an exact repeat, but his agent has to be texting and calling him everyday to remind him to keep his eye on the ball, slim down, and he gets a 8-9 figure contract, he and his great grandchildren would be set for life with that money. Having his brother there to be his conscience has to help tremendously, because probably nobody else in his life is going to tell him to skip that sundae. And he committed to having his brother as his chef, it starts with admitting you have a problem, then important to have support from friends and family. He won't be 2011 good, but he should be plenty good enough in 2014 that a trade would not equal that production.<br /><br />I'm more worried about Posey's second half collapse, his return to awesomeness is more critical to the Giants return to the playoffs than Sandoval. I think that will happen, but he's been pretty automatic his whole career, except for his first month in the majors, that it was shocking to see how badly he did in the second half. The good news there was that it was mostly his power that was missing, which seems to be a conditioning problem, needing to build up stamina.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-39622572194306919722013-11-20T07:39:22.677-08:002013-11-20T07:39:22.677-08:00+1+1obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-46679888603176279882013-11-20T07:38:59.655-08:002013-11-20T07:38:59.655-08:00I think Tim is still on the cusp of making the tra...I think Tim is still on the cusp of making the transition, and having Huddy there to help guide him through the final steps - since he's gone through that transition fine long ago - will be a big help towards Lincecum delivering on his big contract.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-7104439259550808522013-11-20T07:36:40.590-08:002013-11-20T07:36:40.590-08:00Yeah, I've been thinking that Arroyo's mat...Yeah, I've been thinking that Arroyo's maturity reminds me a lot of Posey. I'm hoping that he's part of the next wave of young leaders among position players as Posey would be into his 30's by then. Thanks for sharing Richard!obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-4598624885222484232013-11-19T23:44:15.383-08:002013-11-19T23:44:15.383-08:00Bacci,
Putting a 2 year deal in the same category...Bacci,<br /><br />Putting a 2 year deal in the same category as Zito is absurd. <br /><br />As for Panda, I'm not sure what the trade market is for him, but I sure would like to see him get on track and build back some of his stock. There are plenty of teams who will bite on him for the same reason teams love to sign former postseason heroes (check Cody Ross & Juan Uribe). Giants aren't that team (peep Edgar Renteria). <br /><br />Lastly, I know Tanaka will be a boat load of cash, but I'm sure an organization as large as a profession sports franchise has some way of projecting earnings; point being that outside of New York, San Francisco is the perfect place to market a great Asian player. Even Tsuyoshi Shinjo got major love by the bay for crying out loud! That's the long way of saying that an "overpay" for Lincecum only takes into consideration his WAR and declining numbers, but his value off the field to the Giants image is HUGE. Tanaka would have an instant effect and put the Giants even further into the public eye. Perfect time for this signing as baseball continues to go global!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-50931261554516457712013-11-19T19:40:05.231-08:002013-11-19T19:40:05.231-08:00It's very early in his career, but gotta be ex...It's very early in his career, but gotta be excited about Christian Arroyo.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-37226560579793825612013-11-19T18:51:20.772-08:002013-11-19T18:51:20.772-08:00On a completely unrelated point; I have spent the ...On a completely unrelated point; I have spent the last couple of hours listening to KNBR podcasts with comments from Tom T, Alex P, Bobbt Evans, JT Snow, and also TIm Hudson about his signing. Great stuff.<br />That said I happened to listen to Ray Woodson's interview with Christian Arroyo from last week.<br />OMG, this kid is so mature; it almost unbelieveable.<br />I dont have a daughter, but if I did; he is authorized to keep her out late.<br />Very impressive.<br /><br />Richard in WinnipegAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-88450417791076773362013-11-19T18:26:40.559-08:002013-11-19T18:26:40.559-08:00No Bacci, you are the one who needs to come to the...No Bacci, you are the one who needs to come to the light.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-17727277035480626582013-11-19T18:22:38.645-08:002013-11-19T18:22:38.645-08:00Bacci, we're too busy arguing it up on fangrap...Bacci, we're too busy arguing it up on fangraphs to worry about no jedi powers.<br /><br />Fat boy could be done, that is the truth. And the fact he's in VZ where he can't show up quick to a physical for a trade is bad mojo. The Giants should be shopping him hard for a big upgrade, because the odds aren't good for a big season.<br /><br />I think you're wrong about Hudson though.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-16693822932119378352013-11-19T17:51:37.136-08:002013-11-19T17:51:37.136-08:00i was right about zito, and i will be proven right...i was right about zito, and i will be proven right about hudson<br /><br />this will be a bust<br /><br />how can i ever get you all back from the dark side?<br /><br />darth sabean has used his jedi powers to bewitch you all<br /><br />terrible signing<br /><br />watch for his new stance come day one of st<br /><br />as for fat boy....giants begged him to come to strength and training camp....he doesnt need a chef, he needs a lifestyle change<br /><br />fatboy is done<br /><br />giants need to create a new animal to take his place <br /><br />bacci Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-50162096190507237322013-11-19T15:03:20.360-08:002013-11-19T15:03:20.360-08:00There is SOME truth to this post, but the "yo...There is SOME truth to this post, but the "young guys" all have multiple rings on their mantle while the "veteran" has none.<br /><br />Not sure our core starters (Bum, Cain, Timmeh) fall into that category any more.calsnowskierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02746266404646821133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-49563223351538710702013-11-19T14:25:30.102-08:002013-11-19T14:25:30.102-08:00This was a shocker yesterday hearing this, but a g...This was a shocker yesterday hearing this, but a great one. For all the crap that we hear about hitters not coming here, the flip side of that coin is that plenty of pitchers want in on the action. Guess that's why losing Wheeler was hard pill to swallow, he wanted to be a Giant and learned that the Belle was going to be great for his career as a home ballpark. Josh Johnson wants to resurrect his career here. I say give the $$ to Lopez and keep that guy here, when you watched the playoffs it was full of bullpen guys that just dominated per usual. Affeldt worries me so I want Lopez to stay. Petit deserves his shot after that gem of a near perfect game and once again, I think our ballpark gives him chance to excel.<br /><br />As per Panda, think he is finally growing up a bit and HUGE that he spent his own $$ to invest in his brother to go to culinary school and now be his full time cook. You won't find another gem 3rd baseman in our system that can swat balls that are at your shoulders and play solid defense (when slim-ish). Love Arias, but his bat is lots more tame than Panda. If we lose Panda, that's lots of offense gone.anthillunda2ndnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-64399904118218649412013-11-19T14:11:55.383-08:002013-11-19T14:11:55.383-08:00Yeah, he will fit right in with Cainer and Bumgarn...Yeah, he will fit right in with Cainer and Bumgarner (plus Vogelsong if he is re-signed) and his experience dealing with declining velocity while keeping his performances remarkably constant over his career, even after his TJS, is one of the intangible benefits that he could pass on to Timmy.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-30440840505197558262013-11-19T14:11:48.678-08:002013-11-19T14:11:48.678-08:00I always hated Tim Hudson....Hated seeing his mug ...I always hated Tim Hudson....Hated seeing his mug on the mound facing the Giants...Hated his pitching, his confidence, his competitiveness for the Braves...And why I love this signing...Of course there is some risk, but look at what he has done the last 3-4 years and the last two months before the injury....Couldn't care less about the money...And two years is perfect...Now the question is who will they sign as the 5th starter---Vogey? Josh Johnson? Hammel? Hughes?.I think Arroyo, Nolasco and Haren may have been priced out.....We'll see.....<br /><br />SteveVAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-10061895841811316392013-11-19T11:46:25.905-08:002013-11-19T11:46:25.905-08:00Reminds me too of the Randy Johnson signing, bring...Reminds me too of the Randy Johnson signing, bringing in a veteran to show the young guys how it's done. Great signing I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-12584561317717520712013-11-19T08:57:34.791-08:002013-11-19T08:57:34.791-08:00Money issue aside, PiLamBear, me like your (Take t...Money issue aside, PiLamBear, me like your (Take that, you Bums*) top 3 starter comment.<br /><br />That, plus the return of our stout defense, will be a nice start to a happier 2014.<br /><br /><br />* You got a billionaire owner? We have one too in our ownership group!BuyLowSellLowernoreply@blogger.com