tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post2203296416289973335..comments2024-03-19T02:25:26.300-07:00Comments on When the Giants Come to Town...: Thoughts on Left FieldDrBGiantsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05574563470247927739noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-68336189393392089722013-10-06T21:40:52.457-07:002013-10-06T21:40:52.457-07:00The Giants went with Blanco/Torres because Blanco ...The Giants went with Blanco/Torres because Blanco put up a 2.3 WAR in 2012 and there was nobody better available on the FA market or by trade. It was NOT to leave a spot open for prospects!DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-82100292735275827072013-10-06T21:37:54.819-07:002013-10-06T21:37:54.819-07:00Again, I can understand why you might bump a Blanc...Again, I can understand why you might bump a Blanco down to 4'th OF for a 5 WAR OF like Shin-Soo Choo, but why on Earth would you dump a guy who has earned 5.1 WAR over the last 2 seasons so you can take a flier on someone you pull out of the dumpster?DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-83990735175279731992013-10-06T21:32:42.627-07:002013-10-06T21:32:42.627-07:00I don't know where on Earth you get this crazy...I don't know where on Earth you get this crazy notion from, ogc, but the Giants have never, ever intentionally downgraded a position to leave it open for future prospects! That is just fanciful thinking!<br /><br />DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-67735730971434481132013-10-06T17:19:57.418-07:002013-10-06T17:19:57.418-07:00I liked Colvin, got him in my old keeper league. ...I liked Colvin, got him in my old keeper league. I wouldn't mind a flier with him in LF.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-28153945849754262152013-10-06T17:17:15.244-07:002013-10-06T17:17:15.244-07:00I haven't parsed all of the Sabean presser yet...I haven't parsed all of the Sabean presser yet, but I think the Giants agree based on that. The priorities that I got was that Sabean is pursuing Lincecum right now and that they are going to get another starter no matter what happens with Lincecum, which to me implies that should Lincecum sign elsewhere, the Giants will continue to pursue another starter. <br /><br />Meanwhile he downplayed both getting free agents and international free agents, if I remember right. obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-8899213779021707622013-10-06T17:06:11.083-07:002013-10-06T17:06:11.083-07:00Cool, OK, I was just reacting to your second sente...Cool, OK, I was just reacting to your second sentence, seemed to imply that I didn't know that.<br /><br />I would point out that the Giants have downgraded a position each year in order to leave a spot open for prospects that they either want to give a chance or to leave a spot open for them. They did that for a number of years to give Bowker and Schierholtz a spot to win, they did that with 3B for Frandsen until he unfortunately blew out his Achilies, they did it last season by platooning Blanco and Torres in LF to leave a spot for Kieschnick, Peguero, and Brown to come up and show them something, ironically it was Perez who showed the most (sudden thought, if Perez is so good defensively and Brown was rated higher in the minors defensively, could we expect as much from him defensively?).<br /><br />You see it as downgrading 1B. I see it as shifting the position of openness from LF to 1B, with Belt moving to LF, And they could always shift it back during the season if one of the AAA outfielders finally break out, Belt probably won't be bothered as long as he's in the lineup.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-26133357275587795912013-10-06T06:58:12.456-07:002013-10-06T06:58:12.456-07:00I understand you were not saying Buster won't ...I understand you were not saying Buster won't be the starting catcher. What I'm saying is that the Giants are not going to downgrade 1B from Belt to Pill just so they can play Buster at 1B a few more games. I understand your reasoning. I just don't agree with it and I don't think the Giants are going to do it.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-77312024105508212492013-10-05T23:39:10.318-07:002013-10-05T23:39:10.318-07:00I was not saying Posey was not the starting catche...I was not saying Posey was not the starting catcher. It was noted in the pressed about Posey not getting enough rest, and as I noted in a comment here, Posey played a lot more games at catcher and less at first this season over last. The logical way to fix that is to play Posey at first more often. But Bochy also do not like to move around a starting player, keeping him at one spot. <br /><br />Belt before did not deserve that curtesy but now that he is one of our better hitters, the only way Bochy can keep him at one spot is to move him to LF.<br /><br />This also works for our offense better, I think. We can pick up a good LHH who is a platoon guy on the cheap, Pill could take the LHP starts, and Posey could take any starts, as necessary. There seem to be more LHH at first.<br /><br />And this is not a sacrifice. It is about giving Pill more chances to start, plus perhaps a free agent flier, like they did with Huff. Arias could also play first. By mid season, maybe Duvall or Villalona is ready. Or if an OF, they could shuffle back Belt to first and do what you suggest. The Giants have been, as you put it, sacrificing a position every year to give their position prospects a spot they could win. I just think first makes the most sense this coming season.obsessivegiantscompulsivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11362706004246875823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-67792136056515387712013-10-05T21:43:30.710-07:002013-10-05T21:43:30.710-07:00I'll say it again. WAR has it's limitatio...I'll say it again. WAR has it's limitations, but it is a very useful way of estimating the overall value of a player, especially when it extends over multiple years. <br /><br />I agree with Campanari here. I am not sure I would trade Belt straight up for Stanton, let alone add in Kyle Crick and other prospects. Between Stanton's injury issues an Belt's upward career trajectory, Belt may well have the brighter future of the two. <br /><br />Anyway, it's really a moot issue. Florida is not going to trade Giancarlo Stanton this offseason and even if they did, he would not be coming to the Giants. <br /><br />I really hope this is the last Giancarlo Stanton trade proposal we see here.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-69079425229598474432013-10-05T21:21:17.070-07:002013-10-05T21:21:17.070-07:00I would add that Belt and Stanton had about the sa...I would add that Belt and Stanton had about the same wRC+ last year (B 139, S 135, but with B having more ABs). If I understand this stat correctly, it suggests that Belt might be about as valuable in LF as Stanton, assuming the same so-so standard as to fielding and 2013 performance as one's measure. It's true that Stanton was quite superior in 2012 to anything Belt has shown so far, but per contra, also true that Belt made the crucial adjustments at the plate, as to grip and placement in the batter's box, only midway through 2013, so that his 2013 numbers are likely to be less good than his capabilities promise.campanarinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-17907873950411972342013-10-05T21:04:20.393-07:002013-10-05T21:04:20.393-07:00Since Belt had an fWAR last year of 4.0, and Stant...Since Belt had an fWAR last year of 4.0, and Stanton had 2.3, I am not so sure I would want to offer the Marlins Belt plus three of our best minor-league pitching prospects for Stanton. I know that Pato notoriously gives himself the pleasure of believing in his unaided eye over whatever the best stats say (as see above in this thread), but I would hate to see a refusal to look at the numbers become pandemic among many bloggers here. In two of the last three years, Stanton has produced less in terms of fWAR than Belt did in 2013; and the great hoo-ha over having him makes me wonder whether long-ball glamor, on particular display in one year, 2012, but not so much in the other two of Stanton's brief career, has oudazzled a more rational perspective.Campanarinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-87741100185642895842013-10-05T17:24:17.419-07:002013-10-05T17:24:17.419-07:00Tyler Colvin is a FA. Never really put it togethe...Tyler Colvin is a FA. Never really put it together, but top pick/prospect, and has shown flashes. He just decided to get out of the Rockies organization.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-3330147047955705352013-10-05T15:44:12.799-07:002013-10-05T15:44:12.799-07:00Bacci,
I don't think that's really fair t...Bacci,<br /><br />I don't think that's really fair to Dusty. Is it Dusty's fault that Cueto got shelled? Is it Dusty's fault that all of his best hitters are LH and sitting ducks for a pitcher like Liriano? It's certainly not his fault that Jocketty ignored his pleas to trade for Marlon Byrd who ended up with the Bucs! <br /><br />Dusty might have been fired anyway, but Jocketty pulled the trigger when Dusty stood up for his batting coach and told Jocketty, "if you are going to fire him, why don't you fire me instead?" <br /><br />The single most important job of MLB manager is keeping peace and good spirits in the clubhouse and dugout. Dusty is very good at that. The second most important job is managing the pitching staff. That's where I think Dusty comes up just a bit short. I don't think he really understands pitching, so he plays it strictly by the book and becomes unimaginative in critical situations.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-65266598729024274752013-10-05T15:05:19.359-07:002013-10-05T15:05:19.359-07:00Bacci! Where you been? Slumming it over at Pav&#...Bacci! Where you been? Slumming it over at Pav's blog. Donnie Baseball went agro when he should have just had his guy pitch to one of the worst hitters in baseball. Pitching chance and an intentional walk? Wow. And that young lefty has been good for them, but he hasn't really been tested yet. Jason Hey Hey says hello!<br /><br />I hate to say it, but Wilson looks good. Ground balls, weak at that, is what he's getting. Haven't seen one bit of hard contact yet and he hasn't been walking fools either. He is experienced and motivated to prove out. Still a wack job though.<br /><br />I agree doc, most of the defensive problems were infield related (and the pitchers definitely helped out on that front). Who would have thought that Torres would struggle with LF? But he did.<br /><br />Giants need depth to cover 2B, SS and 3B. That's why this Alexander Guerrero guy makes a ton more sense than Abreu.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-6736187472183872962013-10-05T13:44:41.974-07:002013-10-05T13:44:41.974-07:00Torres had a terrible year at the plate and on def...Torres had a terrible year at the plate and on defense. That is what got exposed when Pagan went down. Blanco did OK but went into a terrible slump in July and August when everyone else was slumping too. <br /><br />IMO, Scutaro's defensive problems and Pablo being out of shape and terrible on D in the first 2/3's of the season were bigger factors than the OF. Also, the pitching was the biggest factor of all in the outcome of the season.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-82462821756175040392013-10-05T12:24:28.197-07:002013-10-05T12:24:28.197-07:00For whats its worth, there is a report by a MLB.c...For whats its worth, there is a report by a MLB.com writer Joe Frisaro that the Giants are also "a favorite" to sign Jose Abreu according to a source.<br /><br />LGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-8181542203168957682013-10-05T11:36:55.627-07:002013-10-05T11:36:55.627-07:00Depth is an obvious concern. Certainly, we didn&#...Depth is an obvious concern. Certainly, we didn't have enough. At the same time, you can't always plan for the degree of injury bug we got early in the year. <br /><br />We definitely need to make sure there's plan B somewhere, whether on the bench or waiting in the minors. As far as the farm goes, we'll be in a little better shape as players move up a level. Perez is on the cusp of filling a Blanco-type role, Escobar could easily be considered an option if one of our starters goes down (and maybe/probably a late-season callup anyway), Hembree and Dunning will be ready to contribute. <br /><br />Still, no veterans. I'm sure some will be added.<br /><br />LuckyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-50227829795592158002013-10-05T11:15:41.849-07:002013-10-05T11:15:41.849-07:00giants prob wasnt that they didnt have a lf, it wa...giants prob wasnt that they didnt have a lf, it was that they had no depth for either cf or rf and therefore the plan to platoon, went down the toilet<br /><br />more important for the org to work on depth in every position<br /><br />ot...if you all havent seen, donnie (i really dont know) baseball, is getting ripped for his on field moves in game 2....pretty much why i picked the bums to fold in the post....reg season is diff than post and even though donnie dumdum has been there as a player, it didnt transfer<br /><br />oh, and the whole "vin is broadcasting all post season on radio" huge scam....only does the first and last 2....false advertising...im gonna sue<br /><br />flem sounds great on national radio<br /><br />doofus done lost another job when his employers finally realized that he cant win in post season...he will get you there, but thats it...and for the second time, he played the race card<br /><br />i know he wants a ring...he really should find a place that is close, and become a special assistant<br /><br />bacci Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-79474123956825013912013-10-05T10:37:17.194-07:002013-10-05T10:37:17.194-07:00I knew LF would be a point of contention with us &...I knew LF would be a point of contention with us "arm chair GMs" this offseason. So, my take:<br /><br />As much as everyone wants a power bat, to me, that and LF should not be our offseason priority. Pitching, pitching, pitching. We got Pence locked up, and can count on Posey have a better overall season, a healthy Pagan, a progressing Belt, and a more healthy Panda. So pitching has to be the next area we improve upon, even if the leftover resources means Blanco is platooning with Perez next season.<br /><br />For real.<br /><br />All other options at this point require gambles with unknown players, position changes, and big contracts. But when all of our bats are healthy, they are capable of scoring. As of right now, though, our rotation becomes pretty hittable after Cain and Bumgarner. That's the hole that needs to be filled. <br /><br />But if I am going to pursue someone that makes sense, it would probably be via trade or a FA pickup to platoon with Blanco/Perez/Pill. <br /><br />LuckyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-8704356935173618432013-10-05T08:52:52.299-07:002013-10-05T08:52:52.299-07:00http://puckettspond.com/2013/10/03/using-trevor-pl...http://puckettspond.com/2013/10/03/using-trevor-plouffes-september-performance-to-find-his-future-role/<br /><br />Here's a twins fan view on him. Basically when do they cut bait on him is what the gist of that is. Superutility? Sounds good to me. Power potential? Yup. And a rep for... wait for it... being a hacker. The guys who just don't understand OBP, they might just be interested in somebody like that.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-1260889943895088652013-10-05T08:42:51.353-07:002013-10-05T08:42:51.353-07:00Marlins are dark horse favorites for Abreu for the...Marlins are dark horse favorites for Abreu for their 1B hole!Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-59800169408044943872013-10-05T08:39:52.404-07:002013-10-05T08:39:52.404-07:00Plouffe has flashed some good months where the bat...Plouffe has flashed some good months where the bat really looks alive with a good power profile. If he had busted out all the way, he's untouchable. The Twins have a heavy hitter prospect coming fast in Sano, and while they have some good SP prospects now have really struggled to bring anything besides speedy CFs to the battle in the past few years. What Plouffe is to me is a gamble trying to snag a guy who is taking time to figure things out, his stats don't pop out at you, but he has flashed that ability in bursts. That's basically what I see. With the added bonus of being able to play LF, good arm for 3B. He mashes lefties right now, hasn't totally figured out how to be a good regular. (278/346/495 LHP 227/284/382 RHP)<br /><br />Great point about Ruggiano BABIP'in 264 this year.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-65845951673697062082013-10-05T08:33:37.713-07:002013-10-05T08:33:37.713-07:00those are all true risks. The benefit is he might...those are all true risks. The benefit is he might be a dumpster dive. He can do one thing very well, hit home runs, and he has hit for high average in the NL with WAS for 3 years. I think there's some good risk-reward there, and its a short term gamble that can get discarded for the trade market if it isn't working out. Basically Morse is a prove-out version of Brett Pill.Shankbonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04803824507120403397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-32510062097457766612013-10-05T07:34:38.220-07:002013-10-05T07:34:38.220-07:00In what way would signing Michael Morse have anyth...In what way would signing Michael Morse have anything at all to do with Pablo Sandoval? <br /><br />Morse is a fearsome hitter when he's health, which is almost never. He has played 1 full season in his entire career! <br /><br />He is not just a poor fielder. He is an astonishingly bad fielder by any measure you want to use. His career UZR is -63 and most seasons he has been in double-digit negative range. He is pretty much a statue out on the field with stone hands and no arm to boot! <br /><br />He hit just .215 this last season. The latest word on him is he was shut down by the Orioles on 9/28 with a wrist injury that will probably "require attention in the offseason." <br /><br />If Morse is willing to come to camp on a minor league deal and prove he is healthy in spring training, yeah, OK, but I would not risk anything more on him.DrBGiantsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699322384438591979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7389427040394111033.post-36408105296322249242013-10-05T07:06:58.908-07:002013-10-05T07:06:58.908-07:00Im a fan of signing Mike Moorse. I believe that i...Im a fan of signing Mike Moorse. I believe that it would provide insurance for Fat Panda, while bumping up Belt to the 3hole. Bat Moorse sixth and Panda 7th. That would prolly be the most talented LU since #25 left. Problem in real life is does he want to come here. Thats really the only "upgrade" from Blanco. Everything else is a sideways move. Pitching is where we have to win in the winter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com